Use of Fur Banned

[Rhale]

I have heard for years that someday California will fall off into the ocean,  maybe it’s that time and hopefully take all the liberals with it!

[480volt]

5 hours ago, Rhale said:

I have heard for years that someday California will fall off into the ocean,  maybe it’s that time and hopefully take all the liberals with it!

You know, one of the nice things about this forum is people generally keep politics out of it, since it has nothing to do with leatherwork. If you wanna post political opinions, plenty other places to do that.

[Sheilajeanne]

17 minutes ago, 480volt said:

You know, one of the nice things about this forum is people generally keep politics out of it, since it has nothing to do with leatherwork. If you wanna post political opinions, plenty other places to do that.

[Hardrada]

36 minutes ago, 480volt said:

You know, one of the nice things about this forum is people generally keep politics out of it, since it has nothing to do with leatherwork. If you wanna post political opinions, plenty other places to do that.

I agree with keeping politics in a separate arena. Unfortunately, the politicians have made it their business to make politics everybody's business by sticking their long dirty fingers into everything. When everything is then politicised it is impossible not to bring politics into areas where it used to be foreign.

Alas, politics nowadays has A LOT to do with leatherwork—the banning of fur by CA being a perfect example: it wasn't leatherworkers who did it or pushed for it, yet they now must bear the brunt of the legislation. Politics has a lot to do with leatherwork when tax grabs and stupid environmental regulations smother the industry and limit our choices in supplies and products we market in order to make ends meet. It's perfectly understandable that leatherworkers post about such things and share their frustration with their fellows, since writing to their elected representatives is now an exercise in futility, and in some cases only serves for the police state to open a file on those who complain via the official channels.

Some of us might be OK with the occasional political thread or blurt, as long as people don't push partisan views. Then again, it's not a secret which colour or side of the political spectrum the political oppression tends to come from, and people express it accordingly. Shutting people down and clamping down on anything that resembles politics on fora such as these only benefits those who profit from enacting retrograde regulations, such as the one being this thread's topic, and their supporters—and we know what colour they are, don't we?

Edited October 16, 2019 by Hardrada
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[480volt]

46 minutes ago, Hardrada said:

I agree with keeping politics in a separate arena. Unfortunately, the politicians have made it their business to make politics everybody's business by sticking their long dirty fingers into everything. When everything is then politicised it is impossible not to bring politics into areas where it used to be foreign.

Alas, politics nowadays has A LOT to do with leatherwork—the banning of fur by CA being a perfect example: it wasn't leatherworkers who did it or pushed for it, yet they now must bear the brunt of the legislation. Politics has a lot to do with leatherwork when tax grabs and stupid environmental regulations smother the industry and limit our choices in supplies and products we market in order to make ends meet. It's perfectly understandable that leatherworkers post about such things and share their frustration with their fellows, since writing to their elected representatives is now an exercise in futility, and in some cases only serves for the police state to open a file on those who complain via the official channels.

Some of us might be OK with the occasional political thread or blurt, as long as people don't push partisan views. Then again, it's not a secret which colour or side of the political spectrum the political oppression tends to come from, and people express it accordingly. Shutting people down and clamping down on anything that resembles politics on fora such as these only benefits those who profit from enacting retrograde regulations, such as the one being this thread's topic, and their supporters—and we know what colour they are, don't we?

Sorry, you lost me after the first sentence. Maybe Johanna could be persuaded to create an area just for people to vent their political opinions, one that I would never be inclined to visit.

Again, the thing that keeps the discussion interesting and keeps people like myself hanging around year after year, is that politics are generally checked at the door. I respect that people with all different outlooks participate here, but for me personally, it’s just about the tools, the materials and the work. Gotta go to sleep now, construction work starts early.

[DV8DUG]

This is bad for me since I am a Californian. 

Bill reads verbatim ...."AB 44 would make it unlawful to manufacture, sell, offer for sale, display for sale, trade, give, donate or otherwise distribute a fur product in the state. The bill exempts certain items, including used fur."

Wonder if re-purposing is included in exemption....

[fredk]

2 hours ago, DV8DUG said:

Wonder if re-purposing is included in exemption....

re-purposing, as in, once used by a grizzly as all-weather cover and now re-purposed to trim on a human's fashion coat?

I'm being facetious/silly, don't mind me

[Rhale]

This posting started out as political,  politicians banning the use of fur in California, I came back from Vietnam to the idiots in California cussing and spitting on soldiers that had been serving their country, so I have a bit of bitterness for the state of California and some of the people who reside there!  So if you live in California and support their ideas and politics more power to you but I fought for the freedom of speech and had friends die for our freedoms so I believe I will speak about what I want when I want and certainly no one from California is going to prevent me from doing so! 

 

[Handstitched]

19 hours ago, LatigoAmigo said:

The ban does not include leather products or taxidermy." 

Um.... before leather becomes leather, as in to make stuff out of, it has hair/ fur on it . I have never seen a bald cow or sheep etc. or any other bald  animal for that matter, unless its some kind  of weird breed, or it has some genetic issues .   I know you got this from the media, but what is the difference ?  A ' fur product' is just a 'leather  product'  with hair on, just the tanning process is different to remove the hair , and different parts of the skin goes through different tanning processes to turn it into different grades, types,  colours etc. 

Isn't that just...... 'splitting hairs'  ?  ( sorry about the lame pun) 

22 hours ago, Sheilajeanne said:

Australia got the gold medal when it came to introduced species, because your flora and fauna is so very unique that it can't cope with foreign species. 

Bingo !!! You hit the nail on the head!!   Don't get me started on the floral introduced species, I'd be here all night. 

In the media lately here in Oz , its been admitted that we have lost the battle against the Cane Toad. Theres just too many now . But its nice to know that I've done something towards its eradication,even in an  insy winsy  tiny way,  turn them into leather goods. 

HS 

[Sheilajeanne]

Apparently, cane toads can even kill huge salt water crocodiles, if they eat enough of them!!  That's some SERIOUS toxin they produce!