Use of Fur Banned

[Sheilajeanne]

4 minutes ago, Handstitched said:

Yep, its a  pretty darn strong toxin alright. It kills a wide variety of native fauna.  It can sometimes be used as a narcotic....

 

.....um ..*gross warning* ...

 

.....people  lick them . Dogs are even known to get hooked on the toxin ( and end up at the vet no doubt)  as it gives off a 'high' ,according to Queensland locals that I've spoken to. 

But this is going off topic. I prefer making Cane Toad leather goods out of them . And besides, I much prefer a cold beer to get my... ' high'  

HS

I second that emotion!!    Yup, nice cold one...

They have invaded Hawaii, too. I saw an episode of Dog the Bounty Hunter where they nearly lost one of their dogs to a cane toad! It was almost totally paralyzed!

[Handstitched]

Thats where Queensland got them from, I think.  Some silly politicians thought it was a good idea to bring them in....not. 

Read all about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cane_toad

Theres a lot to read . 

HS 

[BridleButt]

I made a nice elephant wallet some years ago that I still use. On a business trip to San Diego, a Starbucks server refused to hand my coffee over when I pulled out my wallet to pay. It’s like a banana republic in Cally. 

[Handstitched]

Over 15 years ago, I bought a leather ' bum bag' for about $5.00  from an *op shop  for my fledgling business.

*You call them  'thrift shops' ...  I think? 

I was a little suss when I noticed the label on the inside was removed. My suspicions were correct  when I found a wallet ( in My Shed of Junk)  that a mate bought me some years earlier that matched the leather on my ' bum bag' ....it was elephant hide .   After 15-16 years of use, I think I might change it...eh? 

We just don't know how these animals died or how it they were  treated. They  could have been 'responsibly sourced' or...... ?? 

This could open up a can of worms.

HS 

[chrisash]

I would guess they are made from asian Elephants who have died of old age, my reasoning is the far east has tanners and lots of working Elephants whilst in Africa most are slaughtered for their tusks and left to rot where they die

[Tugadude]

15 hours ago, BridleButt said:

I made a nice elephant wallet some years ago that I still use. On a business trip to San Diego, a Starbucks server refused to hand my coffee over when I pulled out my wallet to pay. It’s like a banana republic in Cally. 

Wow, that's a new one on me.  I'm not surprised I guess, but I've never owned anything made out of elephant.  Is it that obvious?  Would the reaction been the same if the wallet was alligator?

[Sheilajeanne]

Tugadue, I wouldn't think a PETA supporter would be able to tell the difference between real alligator hide, and the fake embossed stuff! 

But I can understand the reaction to elephant hide.The slaughter of these beautiful highly intelligent animals just for their tusks makes me very, very angry! The calves often die as well, if mom is killed. 

There are several sanctuaries that will take these orphans, raise them, and eventually re-integrate them to the wild. An orphan will often recognize its main caregiver immediately many years after it's a full grown adult. https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliekliegman/an-elephant-found-the-man-who-saved-him-26-years-ago-and-the

Edited October 29, 2019 by Sheilajeanne

[Professor]

On 10/13/2019 at 7:36 AM, chrisash said:

Morally is wrong to trap just for fur as the main goal, and morally its right to kill for food as the main purpose

The real question is how you draw the line between the two things, if the main aim is food then most would agree its fine, if you make your living selling the fur then its questionable

Unfortunately there is no clear answer

Reminds me of a skit on Saturday night Live many years ago, when they were still funny.

They had an Infomercial introducing the Chinchilla - Matic.

To avoid the mess of skinning Chinchilla you placed the little fellow in the top, closed the lid and turned it on.

The machine made a grinding noise and a roller ejected the perfectly done skin in one piece. to avoid wastage a spout on the side ejected a lump of ground Chinchilla-burger.

There is a Invasive rodent in California that has in recent years been hunted for its hide, which is very much like beaver pelt. I forget the name but I remember it has bright orange or red teeth.

[chuck123wapati]

4 hours ago, chrisash said:

I would guess they are made from asian Elephants who have died of old age, my reasoning is the far east has tanners and lots of working Elephants whilst in Africa most are slaughtered for their tusks and left to rot where they die

Yup by poachers not ethical hunters, its really to bad they cant enforce good hunting laws and ethical behavior as we have in the U.S. I do know the native peoples used them as a food source historically and most hunters donate the meat to locals.  Here is an awesome picture I took last week while hunting Elk, these Moose were reintroduced close to our area about 20 year ago and have been doing great, all the hunters were taking pictures of them as they haven't been on this side of the mountain before. All due to sportsmen and hunters and good ethical game laws put in place by professional animal biologists. 

Edited October 29, 2019 by chuck123wapati
added pic

[chuck123wapati]

On 10/13/2019 at 5:36 AM, chrisash said:

Morally is wrong to trap just for fur as the main goal, and morally its right to kill for food as the main purpose

The real question is how you draw the line between the two things, if the main aim is food then most would agree its fine, if you make your living selling the fur then its questionable

Unfortunately there is no clear answer

People have been trapping as long as they have been hunting why would it be considered morally wrong? 

[toxo]

6 hours ago, Sheilajeanne said:

Tugadue, I wouldn't think a PETA supporter would be able to tell the difference between real alligator hide, and the fake embossed stuff! 

But I can understand the reaction to elephant hide.The slaughter of these beautiful highly intelligent animals just for their tusks makes me very, very angry! The calves often die as well, if mom is killed. 

There are several sanctuaries that will take these orphans, raise them, and eventually re-integrate them to the wild. An orphan will often recognize its main caregiver immediately many years after it's a full grown adult. https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliekliegman/an-elephant-found-the-man-who-saved-him-26-years-ago-and-the

If you like that kind of story Shielajeanne. on BBC iplayer last week about a herd of elephant that was saved and looked after by a guy who died years later and on the day he died the herd trecked twelve miles and stood in his garden silently for two days AND they come back to the house every year on the anniversary of his death.

It was episode 1 of a program called "Animals In Love"

[Sheilajeanne]

5 hours ago, Professor said:

 

There is a Invasive rodent in California that has in recent years been hunted for its hide, which is very much like beaver pelt. I forget the name but I remember it has bright orange or red teeth.

Nutria, maybe? 

[fredk]

I'll tack this news story on here.

I just hope its not going to set a new trend and we'll need to wear kevlar vests in the near future

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50519899

[Hardrada]

Sad, but what else can be expected when environmentalism has driven many to the point of psychosis?

[Bert51]

Looks like I will need to put a Kevlar lining in my Leather vest now..............

Bert.

[kiwican]

These animal rights activists can be nutty. We have a group in my area called At War For Animals. Everything and anything animal related is a fight for them. I wonder when they will acknowledge the animal byproducts used in their vehicles that get them to the protests!

[chrisash]

Its been the same since religion started, each person having a very polarised point of view and cannot accept any other view and become extremists.

[Tugadude]

How would any sane person reconcile killing a human over fur?  Simple, they have come to believe humans are not superior in any way.  In fact we humans are worse, they say.  Humans pollute, murder, etc.. So in her mind she is doing the world a favor.

When God is taken out of the equation these things result.  

[Hardrada]

2 hours ago, Tugadude said:

How would any sane person reconcile killing a human over fur?  Simple, they have come to believe humans are not superior in any way.  In fact we humans are worse, they say.  Humans pollute, murder, etc.. So in her mind she is doing the world a favor.

When God is taken out of the equation these things result.  

Couldn't have put it better myself.

[Handstitched]

On 11/23/2019 at 7:21 AM, kiwican said:

These animal rights activists can be nutty.

Can't fault you there. We have them here too....*sigh* . I bet the attacker feels quite foolish now . 

But we Aussies are sometimes known for doing the complete opposite , or doing things a little backwards or being sarcastic  . So  when these nutty activists are doing their protest thing near the meat section in a supermarket or outside a butcher , what do we do?

We just buy  and eat even  more meat      

In the words of ' Rimmer' Red Dwarf, " the world loves a bastard"  

HS 

Edited November 24, 2019 by Handstitched

[fredk]

2 hours ago, Handstitched said:

 I bet the attacker feels quite foolish now . 

I very much doubt that: she has form, having previously tried to hire a hit-man to murder a fur wearing person. She needs a spell of incarceration and rehabilitation.

I could fill volumes with tales of animal rights activists and the damage they have done here in N.I.

Edited November 24, 2019 by fredk

[kiwican]

10 hours ago, Handstitched said:

Can't fault you there. We have them here too....*sigh* . I bet the attacker feels quite foolish now . 

But we Aussies are sometimes known for doing the complete opposite , or doing things a little backwards or being sarcastic  . So  when these nutty activists are doing their protest thing near the meat section in a supermarket or outside a butcher , what do we do?

We just buy  and eat even  more meat      

In the words of ' Rimmer' Red Dwarf, " the world loves a bastard"  

HS 

Lol Red Dwarf is brilliant. I've been a fan since the beginning !