CFM chuck123wapati Posted January 29, 2020 CFM Report Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, wizard of tragacanth said: RemingtonSteel -- I know it was not a direct rebuttal.. it was a precient rebuttal... still valid and that's why I responded as I did. There is still a technique related to this today. It is called the "Speed Rock". Wanna see it in action? Very cool yup my dad taught me that years ago. Its basically the same thing. thanks for sharing. Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
Members dikman Posted January 30, 2020 Author Members Report Posted January 30, 2020 Thanks for the discussion, guys. I shoot with my strong hand so a rear-ward cant on the left holster would not be good if at a 9/3 position but a forward cant should be slightly beneficial. However, for any other position a forward cant is probably going to be a handicap. Based on what's been said I'm thinking 9/3 position with a 15-20% forward cant might be worth trying. If that doesn't work out then it's 10/2 with a rearward cant! One of them should work....... Quote Machines wot I have - Singer 51W59; Singer 331K4; Seiko STH-8BLD; Pfaff 335; CB4500. Chinese shoe patcher; Singer 201K (old hand crank)
Members RemingtonSteel Posted January 30, 2020 Members Report Posted January 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, dikman said: I shoot with my strong hand so a rear-ward cant on the left holster would not be good if at a 9/3 position To better understand what you mean, could you let us know which hand is your strong hand, Right or Left? Quote
Members dikman Posted January 30, 2020 Author Members Report Posted January 30, 2020 Right hand, sorry, should have mentioned that before. I forget that not everyone is right-handed. For the left hand I need to drag the gun out, forward and across so angled forward slightly should be a bit more natural to clear the holster (according to my reasoning). Quote Machines wot I have - Singer 51W59; Singer 331K4; Seiko STH-8BLD; Pfaff 335; CB4500. Chinese shoe patcher; Singer 201K (old hand crank)
Members dikman Posted February 10, 2020 Author Members Report Posted February 10, 2020 I was discussing this idea at the last SASA shoot I went to and it was pointed out why it wasn't a good idea. It would point the barrel just slightly rearward, which would break the rules regarding where the barrel was pointing, and dragging it out could angle it back even more. Result would likely be a disqualification! Just as well I haven't started on them, looks like they'll have a slight rearward cant then, no big deal. Quote Machines wot I have - Singer 51W59; Singer 331K4; Seiko STH-8BLD; Pfaff 335; CB4500. Chinese shoe patcher; Singer 201K (old hand crank)
Members Dwight Posted February 10, 2020 Members Report Posted February 10, 2020 12 hours ago, dikman said: I was discussing this idea at the last SASA shoot I went to and it was pointed out why it wasn't a good idea. It would point the barrel just slightly rearward, which would break the rules regarding where the barrel was pointing, and dragging it out could angle it back even more. Result would likely be a disqualification! Just as well I haven't started on them, looks like they'll have a slight rearward cant then, no big deal. Not sure who you talked to, . . . but they do not know the SASS rules, . . . or decided to make their own up as they went. Copied straight from the SASS handbook: SINGLE ACTION SHOOTING SOCIETY Shooter’s Handbook Copyright© Single Action Shooting Society, Inc. 2020 Version 24.1 3 HOLSTERS, CARTRIDGE BELTS, & BANDOLEERS Holsters - All handguns must be carried in a safe holster capable of retaining the firearm throughout a normal range of motion. - Main match holsters must be located one on each side of the belly button and separated by at least the width of two fists at the belt. (Note: Pocket pistol and derringer holsters are not “main match” holsters) - Holsters may not depart from the vertical by more than 30º when worn. - Although cross draw and shoulder holsters are legal, extreme care must be exercised when drawing a firearm from a cross draw or shoulder holster or retuning the firearm to leather. The user must “twist” their body, if necessary, to ensure the muzzle never breaks the 170° safety rule during the process. - When drawing a revolver, the muzzle may be oriented into the straight down (180°) as it clears leather; but must then go immediately into the downrange 170° (and vice versa on the return). These restrictions against breaking the downrange 180° angle apply to all holsters and methods of draw/re-holster. This allowance applies to all types/styles of holsters, from canted double strong side to cross draw, to shoulder/Huckleberry rigs. _____________ May God bless, Dwight Quote If you can breathe, . . . thank God. If you can read, . . . thank a teacher. If you are reading this in English, . . . thank a veteran. www.dwightsgunleather.com
Members dikman Posted February 10, 2020 Author Members Report Posted February 10, 2020 " When drawing a revolver, the muzzle may be oriented into the straight down (180°) as it clears leather; " That is what he's referring to, with a forward cant holster the barrel will be pointing back when holstered, so when drawing it will break that 180 rule. Quote Machines wot I have - Singer 51W59; Singer 331K4; Seiko STH-8BLD; Pfaff 335; CB4500. Chinese shoe patcher; Singer 201K (old hand crank)
CFM chuck123wapati Posted February 10, 2020 CFM Report Posted February 10, 2020 15 minutes ago, dikman said: " When drawing a revolver, the muzzle may be oriented into the straight down (180°) as it clears leather; " That is what he's referring to, with a forward cant holster the barrel will be pointing back when holstered, so when drawing it will break that 180 rule. so then how are 30 degree cant, crossdraw and shoulder holsters legal if that is the case? I'm just asking because I don't do this? They seem contradictory. seems the barrel could be straight down as it "leaves leather" even with a forward cant but the cant wouldn't help much Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
Members dikman Posted February 10, 2020 Author Members Report Posted February 10, 2020 Yeah, it can be confusing. 30 degrees is the maximum cant/angle for a holster, but if it's a cross-draw when drawing you have to twist your body to ensure that the barrel doesn't point back behind the shooting line. " seems the barrel could be straight down as it "leaves leather" even with a forward cant but the cant wouldn't help much " That's the issue, any hint of a rearward facing barrel when drawing could be a problem. Just not worth the potential hassle, imo. Quote Machines wot I have - Singer 51W59; Singer 331K4; Seiko STH-8BLD; Pfaff 335; CB4500. Chinese shoe patcher; Singer 201K (old hand crank)
MikeRock Posted February 10, 2020 Report Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) Dwight, Is there an illustration in the SASS handbook to show holster cant, angles upon clearing leather and the 170 downrange rule? God bless Found the PDF online. Edited February 11, 2020 by MikeRock Found the PDF online Quote
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