Members JeannieH Posted February 13, 2020 Author Members Report Posted February 13, 2020 My machine also has parts from both of these other models. Quote
mikesc Posted February 13, 2020 Report Posted February 13, 2020 You could try contacting Strima , they are the Zoje distributors in Europe..just possible that they have binders in stock .. Presumably you have already asked Zoje in USA. Quote "Don't you know that women are the only works of Art" .. ( Don Henley and "some French painter in a field" )
Members JeannieH Posted February 13, 2020 Author Members Report Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) 55 minutes ago, mikesc said: You could try contacting Strima , they are the Zoje distributors in Europe..just possible that they have binders in stock .. Presumably you have already asked Zoje in USA. No actually I haven’t. The number I called in Florida said they are no longer a distributor. They did give me a number for north or South Carolina..but the guy never called me back. I will try the place you mentioned. Thank you. Edited February 13, 2020 by JeannieH Quote
Members dikman Posted February 13, 2020 Members Report Posted February 13, 2020 4 hours ago, JeannieH said: Ok. Does that mean a pfaff 335 binder will not fit on this machine? I’m really trying to find an already made binder to work for me before I pay hundreds of dollars for a custom one. I don't know Jeannie, but if that piece you bought fits then I'd say yes, it will fit, as that looks like a Pfaff binder plate. Does it have a part number on it? Those other two machines are clones of a Pfaff 335 and Juki 246, so I'm wondering if yours is one they designed themselves? They are supposed to be a large sewing machine manufacturer. Quote Machines wot I have - Singer 51W59; Singer 331K4; Seiko STH-8BLD; Pfaff 335; CB4500. Chinese shoe patcher; Singer 201K (old hand crank)
Members Constabulary Posted February 13, 2020 Members Report Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) it would not surprise me when certain parts of the binder setup are interchangeable between the models - welcome to the clone world Upper front section of the Zoje 2628 looks very much "Singerish" to me, certain parts are typical for the Singer 111w / 153w machines. So I would suspect that the feet are Singer type too but of course I do not know for sure. Edited February 13, 2020 by Constabulary Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members JeannieH Posted February 13, 2020 Author Members Report Posted February 13, 2020 On 2/12/2020 at 5:01 AM, jimi said: Hi, Yes that looks like it will fit. You just need the binder and the inside foot. did you see if you could lift your foot up a little? It should be the wing nut over at the back at the end of the bar for adjusting? Hi. I don’t have a wing nut in the spot you mentioned. My outside foot does come up quite a bit more than the inner foot. Which of these nuts do I loosen to adjust the height of the inner foot? First or second picture? Quote
Members dikman Posted February 13, 2020 Members Report Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) Jeannie, have you downloaded the manual I linked? It explains how to adjust the feet. The wingnut should be on the other end of the bolt in the first picture, it tightens a curved slotted bar. Edited February 13, 2020 by dikman Quote Machines wot I have - Singer 51W59; Singer 331K4; Seiko STH-8BLD; Pfaff 335; CB4500. Chinese shoe patcher; Singer 201K (old hand crank)
Members jimi Posted February 13, 2020 Members Report Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, JeannieH said: Hi. I don’t have a wing nut in the spot you mentioned. My outside foot does come up quite a bit more than the inner foot. Which of these nuts do I loosen to adjust the height of the inner foot? First or second picture? Hi Jeannie, sorry for taking so long in getting back..... the first picture. Edited February 13, 2020 by jimi Quote
Members JeannieH Posted February 13, 2020 Author Members Report Posted February 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, jimi said: Hi Jeannie, sorry for taking so long in getting back..... the first picture. No problem I had figured it out not long after I sent the message. Thanks anyway 40 minutes ago, dikman said: Jeannie, have you downloaded the manual I linked? It explains how to adjust the feet. The wingnut should be on the other end of the bolt in the first picture, it tightens a curved slotted bar. Yes I printed one out. But I don’t have a wing it for some reason. I did get the feet adjusted though. Quote
Members jimi Posted February 13, 2020 Members Report Posted February 13, 2020 does it feed better then?? Quote
Members JeannieH Posted February 13, 2020 Author Members Report Posted February 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, jimi said: does it feed better then?? Way better and I got my cheap binder to work. Just had to mount my binder on the bracket it came with in the wrong position to get that metal guide out the way. Quote
Members jimi Posted February 13, 2020 Members Report Posted February 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, JeannieH said: Way better and I got my cheap binder to work. Just had to mount my binder on the bracket it came with in the wrong position to get that metal guide out the way. Well done jeannie, yur gettin there. Quote
Members JeannieH Posted February 13, 2020 Author Members Report Posted February 13, 2020 40 minutes ago, jimi said: Well done jeannie, yur gettin there. Thanks! Now I have to learn how to use it efficiently. I will post my bag after it’s made(waiting on my lagun leather from Carriat). Quote
Members dikman Posted February 14, 2020 Members Report Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) Way to go, Jeannie! Looks like it's sewing well. I look forward to seeing the end product. Edited February 14, 2020 by dikman Quote Machines wot I have - Singer 51W59; Singer 331K4; Seiko STH-8BLD; Pfaff 335; CB4500. Chinese shoe patcher; Singer 201K (old hand crank)
Members JeannieH Posted February 14, 2020 Author Members Report Posted February 14, 2020 2 hours ago, dikman said: Way to go, Jeannie! Looks like it's sewing well. I look forward to seeing the end product. Thank you! Me too lmbo! Quote
Members JeannieH Posted February 15, 2020 Author Members Report Posted February 15, 2020 On 2/12/2020 at 5:15 AM, jimi said: I dont have any setup for binding at the moment but here is the foot and binder that i use, i am no expert at this remember Lol.... And the Pfaff one has been heavily modified by the previous owner Hi there! I wanted to let you know I got things going. Made a bracket for the cheap binder I had and I’m good to go. Quote
Members jimi Posted February 16, 2020 Members Report Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, JeannieH said: Hi there! I wanted to let you know I got things going. Made a bracket for the cheap binder I had and I’m good to go. Wow, nice... well you know what they say "necessity is the mother of invention" Lol... your very crafty jeannie, that will keep you going for a while now, at least to get some practice in. As Folker said, the corners are the hard ones because if you don´t get in near to the foot then you end up off the tape on a tight corner, so maybe don´t try it on a bag without trying to do some practice corners first. And also you might need another screw to hold the bracket at the back as the tape could pull the tip in towards the foot?? just a thought... Edited February 16, 2020 by jimi Quote
Members JeannieH Posted February 16, 2020 Author Members Report Posted February 16, 2020 30 minutes ago, jimi said: Wow, nice... well you know what they say "necessity is the mother of invention" Lol... your very crafty jeannie, that will keep you going for a while now, at least to get some practice in. As Folker said, the corners are the hard ones because if you don´t get in near to the foot then you end up off the tape on a tight corner, so maybe don´t try it on a bag without trying to do some practice corners first. And also you might need another screw to hold the bracket at the back as the tape could pull the tip in towards the foot?? just a thought... Yes I will practice a lot before I screw up this leather. Do I have it close enough now?(in the pics) or do I need to get closer..or buy a shorter foot? I’m waiting on the binder arm bracket I ordered so these screws are temporary. I will have the y’all bolts Tuesday. I will order a pfaff binder in the next week probably too. Quote
Members jimi Posted February 16, 2020 Members Report Posted February 16, 2020 32 minutes ago, JeannieH said: Yes I will practice a lot before I screw up this leather. Do I have it close enough now?(in the pics) or do I need to get closer..or buy a shorter foot? I’m waiting on the binder arm bracket I ordered so these screws are temporary. I will have the y’all bolts Tuesday. I will order a pfaff binder in the next week probably too. I have just set up the old one so you can see the setup. If you need a parts manual for the 335 let me know, i have it in PDF. Quote
Members Constabulary Posted February 16, 2020 Members Report Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) The closer the binder is set to the needle the better it works on curved items. You probably have to grind down the tip on the inner foot a bit. The Pfaff 335 type binders are designed for this type of machine (I think they are called shell binders). The one you are using (and so do I) are meant for flat bed machines or "unsynchronized" cylinder arm machines. So it requires a bit of tinkering to set them up for synchronized binder machines. If I had found reasonably priced 335 type binder for the tape size and thickness I´m using I would have bought them but they were not available at that time and I´m too much a cheap charlie and don´t wanted to pay high prices for an custom binder so I went the "economic" way and figured it is a good way (in this case). Of course my bracket does not look like factory made but the whole setup work great! I know I repeat this but when you order a 335 type / shell binder make sure it is designed for the tape thickness you want to use!!! Sample: https://www.college-sewing.co.uk/at18c-20mm-x-5mm-x-1-5mm-shell-binder.html 20x5x1.5 means: 20mm tape 5mm mouth width 1.5mm thick tape Edited February 16, 2020 by Constabulary Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members jimi Posted February 16, 2020 Members Report Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) 52 minutes ago, JeannieH said: Yes I will practice a lot before I screw up this leather. Do I have it close enough now?(in the pics) or do I need to get closer..or buy a shorter foot? I’m waiting on the binder arm bracket I ordered so these screws are temporary. I will have the y’all bolts Tuesday. I will order a pfaff binder in the next week probably too. I have just set up the old one so you can see the setup. If you need a parts manual for the 335 let me know, i have it in PDF. Ohps! I went a bit off at the end Lol... i had to wing it by hand as there is no motor on this machine yet.... I think folker does a better job than me Edited February 16, 2020 by jimi Quote
Members JeannieH Posted February 16, 2020 Author Members Report Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) On 2/16/2020 at 6:34 AM, jimi said: I have just set up the old one so you can see the setup. If you need a parts manual for the 335 let me know, i have it in PDF. Ohps! I went a bit off at the end Lol... i had to wing it by hand as there is no motor on this machine yet.... I think folker does a better job than me Ok thanks! I printed the manual out. I didn’t think the manual would tell me what binder feet to use so I didn’t think to look at it. I will look it over. The bag I’m making has curves so I need it to be able to do that efficiently. Edited February 17, 2020 by Northmount Remove photos to reduce size of post, less time to scroll to new material Quote
Members JeannieH Posted February 16, 2020 Author Members Report Posted February 16, 2020 4 hours ago, Constabulary said: The closer the binder is set to the needle the better it works on curved items. You probably have to grind down the tip on the inner foot a bit. The Pfaff 335 type binders are designed for this type of machine (I think they are called shell binders). The one you are using (and so do I) are meant for flat bed machines or "unsynchronized" cylinder arm machines. So it requires a bit of tinkering to set them up for synchronized binder machines. If I had found reasonably priced 335 type binder for the tape size and thickness I´m using I would have bought them but they were not available at that time and I´m too much a cheap charlie and don´t wanted to pay high prices for an custom binder so I went the "economic" way and figured it is a good way (in this case). Of course my bracket does not look like factory made but the whole setup work great! I know I repeat this but when you order a 335 type / shell binder make sure it is designed for the tape thickness you want to use!!! Sample: https://www.college-sewing.co.uk/at18c-20mm-x-5mm-x-1-5mm-shell-binder.html 20x5x1.5 means: 20mm tape 5mm mouth width 1.5mm thick tape Ok thank you I will make sure. I see some pfaff binder foot sets on eBay. The pfaff binders I only see in China and shipping is over a month...not sure I want to wait that long lol. I will keep hunting. 1 minute ago, JeannieH said: Ok thank you I will make sure. I see some pfaff binder foot sets on eBay. The pfaff binders I only see in China and shipping is over a month...not sure I want to wait that long lol. I will keep hunting. Would the one you attached a link to work on my machine? If so maybe I need to just go with that one Quote
Members jimi Posted February 16, 2020 Members Report Posted February 16, 2020 1 hour ago, JeannieH said: I didn’t think the manual would tell me what binder feet to use so I didn’t think to look at it I meant the parts manual so you could see the type of feet and binders that the 335 type machine uses, they might still be making variations? Subclass Old C 3.pdf335 H3 Subclass Old C 4.pdf335 H3 Subclass Old C 5.pdf335 H3 Subclass Old C 6.pdf335 H3 Subclass Old C 7.pdf335 H3 Quote
Members JeannieH Posted February 16, 2020 Author Members Report Posted February 16, 2020 43 minutes ago, jimi said: I meant the parts manual so you could see the type of feet and binders that the 335 type machine uses, they might still be making variations? Subclass Old C 3.pdf335 H3 Subclass Old C 4.pdf335 H3 Subclass Old C 5.pdf335 H3 Subclass Old C 6.pdf335 H3 Subclass Old C 7.pdf335 H3 Oh ok. I printed that out too. Quote
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