Members drummingpariah Posted April 25, 2020 Members Report Posted April 25, 2020 I've been fighting with a Chinese Shoe Patcher machine for awhile, and haven't been impressed with its consistency. When I saw this Champion machine show up, I decided it'd be worth trying to clean it up and see if I could get it running. If nothing else, the body should be quite a bit more rigid than the cheap little Chinese one. The catch is that I've had a tough time finding any information on it, or a maintenance manual for it. Everything seems to move freely, but I'd like to confirm that I have the timing right and figure out what the correct thread path should be. Any help would be greatly appreciated, I'm just soaking the whole thing in brass-safe degreaser right now, hoping to come up with a bit more information before machining any parts that are missing. Thanks! Quote
Members BigSiouxSaddlery Posted April 26, 2020 Members Report Posted April 26, 2020 Well you sure went from one extreme to the other! It is, of course, a very old machine. Shop Talk might have a manual. I've never owned nor run one, but I've seen work as good as any done on one. There will be a long learning curve, being a hook and awl machine, but I'd still take it ahead of a Chinese patcher. Quote
Members drummingpariah Posted April 27, 2020 Author Members Report Posted April 27, 2020 On 4/26/2020 at 12:45 AM, BigSiouxSaddlery said: Well you sure went from one extreme to the other! It is, of course, a very old machine. Shop Talk might have a manual. I've never owned nor run one, but I've seen work as good as any done on one. There will be a long learning curve, being a hook and awl machine, but I'd still take it ahead of a Chinese patcher. Thanks, and you aren't kidding, this is nothing like the little Chinese patcher. I'm working my way through its components, trying to get all the grit out of the bearing surfaces and free up rusted/sticky adjustments. So far, so good. I'm really glad it came with an awl and needle, since it's starting to look like I'll have to make my own spares for it. I managed to get the bobbin carrier out, but it seems like it was a lot more work than it should've been. Figuring out the timing on the bobbin has been really awkward as well. There are a pair of cam lugs on the front that cause mechanical lockup with the needle carrier, so I'm going to have to do some experimentation to figure out its intended alignment. I'll get a video of it moving through its cycle sometime this week, to illustrate why I'm confused. Quote
Members Constabulary Posted April 27, 2020 Members Report Posted April 27, 2020 (edited) Holy Shit - what a beast Yeah - really - 2 extremes - a Chinese patcher and than this thing... kinda double quantum jump, I´d say. ah - well - can it handle #96 thread and can I sew 2 oz leather with it Looking forward to see thing thing running Edited April 27, 2020 by Constabulary Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members dikman Posted April 27, 2020 Members Report Posted April 27, 2020 6 hours ago, Constabulary said: Looking forward to see thing thing running Me too! Quote Machines wot I have - Singer 51W59; Singer 331K4; Seiko STH-8BLD; Pfaff 335; CB4500. Chinese shoe patcher; Singer 201K (old hand crank)
Members Handstitched Posted April 28, 2020 Members Report Posted April 28, 2020 What a beeeauty !!!! Is this of any use to you? : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lie2yVF5_CY I had a quick look around on the webiverse , and found all sorts of weird looking Champion machines. Hope it all goes well, and good luck HS Quote ' I have a very gweat friend in Wome called Biggus Dickus, He has a wife you know, do you know whats she's called? Incontinentia.......Incontinentia Buttocks '
Members drummingpariah Posted April 29, 2020 Author Members Report Posted April 29, 2020 On 4/27/2020 at 10:23 PM, Handstitched said: What a beeeauty !!!! Is this of any use to you? : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lie2yVF5_CY I had a quick look around on the webiverse , and found all sorts of weird looking Champion machines. Hope it all goes well, and good luck HS That looks like the same machine, and it does answer a couple of my questions. I still don't know what the big cast rocker arm on the top does though, and haven't been able to find any kind of specs on spare parts. So far, I haven't uncovered anything that I need to replace. One interesting thing that video shows is that the bobbin carrier retracts into the machine. That's the biggest problem I have with the timing right now, but my machine isn't doing that yet. I think that might be the secret sauce to getting it running! Quote
Members Handstitched Posted April 29, 2020 Members Report Posted April 29, 2020 G'Day, glad it was a little bit of help. I keep looking for any info , Found this : https://leatherworker.net/forum/topic/7067-champion-lockstitch-shoe-machine/ Is there a model number? HS Quote ' I have a very gweat friend in Wome called Biggus Dickus, He has a wife you know, do you know whats she's called? Incontinentia.......Incontinentia Buttocks '
Members drummingpariah Posted April 29, 2020 Author Members Report Posted April 29, 2020 (edited) I haven't found any model information anywhere on the machine, other than a "366" stamped inside the needle area. It looks like it's an old wide throat machine, but haven't gotten much further than that. I have it cycling pretty well without the hook (apparently it's a hook, not a needle) installed. With the hook installed, I've found a definite timing issue. I haven't internalized how the machine runs yet though; I need to spend some more time looking at the 'lower mandible' parts to understand what they do and how they're supposed to work ... but right now, I have interference whenever I try to cycle it with the hook in. Edited April 29, 2020 by drummingpariah Quote
Members shoepatcher Posted April 30, 2020 Members Report Posted April 30, 2020 Deep throat Champion. glenn Quote
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