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anyone have any experience with self piercing rivets? preferably with a hand press attachment?

looking to speed up my need of riveting 2 pieces of rubber strap together (pretty similar to leather) 

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In life, you often get a choice of two out of three. Speed, cost and beauty is one of them. If it's pretty and fast then it won't come cheap. You seem to wantvfast, and hand-held indicates cheap, so it won't be pretty. That's my penniworth, take it or leave it.

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9 minutes ago, Rahere said:

In life, you often get a choice of two out of three. Speed, cost and beauty is one of them. If it's pretty and fast then it won't come cheap. You seem to wantvfast, and hand-held indicates cheap, so it won't be pretty. That's my penniworth, take it or leave it.

this is not something that needs to be pretty no, more of a production thing and backside is pretty well hidden 

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One issue's possibly copper rot. In the 1980s a kind of cancer was causing a problem, latex and rubber variously turned crystalline or runny/gummy, and the thing spread as if catalytically. It was tracked down by a process of elimination to metalwork containing copper or copper alloys, which were studiously avoided. This doesn't seem to be an issue now, but I don't know why, I didn't have time to follow. Perhaps they've changed the formulation.

Hand-set eyelets are very likely to be copper-cored, even if coated, and the act of setting opens hairline cracks.

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Don't know about self piercing but depending on the density of the rubber might be worth looking at pop rivets with a speed riviter like lazy tongs.

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If you go down the pop rivet road, you can get automatic pop riveters, which work as fast as an semi-automatic gun. You can get types which run off compressed air or are battery operated ie cordless. I did some work with a place which rebuilt old trucks and buses and the workers there used a compressed air type. They put in the rivets faster than you could sneeze

https://www.hansonrivet.com/tools-machines/blind-pop-advel-tools/pop-blind-rivet-tools/pop-rivet-feeding-systems/

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I thought that Weaver did a self piercing rivet (w/ appropriate dies for their hand and foot presses) but can't find them on their site now. Maybe worth an email?

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104 rivets are self-piercing set with a Little Wonder or larger press from Weaver. Well worth the investment. You can set with a cap or splash anvil. The 104 setter die comes w the Little Wonder. I think you have to buy the anvil to set caps. --John

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