CowboyBob Posted October 1, 2020 Report Posted October 1, 2020 From looking @ your pic it appears the feed dog isn't far enough above the needle plate. Quote Bob Kovar Toledo Industrial Sewing Machine Sales Ltd. 3631 Marine Rd Toledo,Ohio 43609 1-866-362-7397
Members shoepatcher Posted October 1, 2020 Members Report Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) Looks like a Consew 227 R-1. Feed dog seems to be hitting on the back of the throat plate slot. the feed dog space from the front and back of the slot should be the same. If not, that has to be centered. If feed dog is too long in front or back, I sometimes grind the feed dog down in front or back a little. Either way, at the max. stitch, should NOT be hitting the feed dog plate. You get the feed dog centered in the throat plate front to back. Then you center the needle into the feed dog hole. Then, I check to make sure the feed dog is only 1/2" the height of the teeth above the throat plate. NO more! If needle is now centered in feed dog hole, I then equalize the walk height of each foot. This procedure correct BOB? Feed dog look long to you front to back Bob? glenn Edited October 1, 2020 by shoepatcher Quote
Members CustomDoug Posted October 1, 2020 Author Members Report Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) On 9/30/2020 at 11:08 PM, Uwe said: Is your stitch length the same in reverse? Is there any play when you try to move the needle bar back and forth by hand? It’s possible the feed mechanism is out of balance, thus increasing stitch length in one direction and reducing it in the other direction. I still don’t know exactly what your machine looks like. I can’t find a parts diagram for a “ Consew 287R” online, or much else for that matter. I’m guessing we’re talking about a rebadged Seiko CW-8B-2 like this: YES - There is definitely a problem with my Reverse ... the stitch length is even shorter than forward, and I'm loosing tension from the top thread (loops on the back side of sewn vinyl). Here's pics of this particular issue (Note: forward stitching = top row, reverse on bottom): BACK SIDE: Edited October 5, 2020 by Northmount uploaded photos here Quote Does Anyone Know Where the Love of God Goes When the Waves Turn Minutes to Hours?
Members CustomDoug Posted October 1, 2020 Author Members Report Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) On 10/1/2020 at 9:23 AM, shoepatcher said: Looks like a Consew 227 R-1. Feed dog seems to be hitting on the back of the throat plate slot. the feed dog space from the front and back of the slot should be the same. If not, that has to be centered. If feed dog is too long in front or back, I sometimes grind the feed dog down in front or back a little. Either way, at the max. stitch, should NOT be hitting the feed dog plate. You get the feed dog centered in the throat plate front to back. Then you center the needle into the feed dog hole. Then, I check to make sure the feed dog is only 1/2" the height of the teeth above the throat plate. NO more! If needle is now centered in feed dog hole, I then equalize the walk height of each foot. This procedure correct BOB? Feed dog look long to you front to back Bob? glenn Ok shoepatcher touched on a couple items: first, my feed dog come real close to (possibly touches) the front of the plate during a rotation, and the back is a couple millimeters from the back when the FD comes to that side. So I need to adjust that - BUT HOW's IT DONE? Secondly, my feed dog did seem low (as Cowboy Bob pointed out in an earlier post) so I raised it.. maybe too much but my 'adjustment procedures' for a Singer 153Wxxx showed it should be 1.6mm above the plate. Would it being too high cause the looping stitches on the back side of the material (as seen in the above picture)? Here's my feed dog as it sits now: Edited October 5, 2020 by Northmount uploaded photos here Quote Does Anyone Know Where the Love of God Goes When the Waves Turn Minutes to Hours?
Uwe Posted October 1, 2020 Report Posted October 1, 2020 Before we go any further we really need to understand exactly which machine design we’re working with. The feed mechanism on a Singer 153 is totally different from the Seiko. No meaningful adjustment advice can be given unless we know what machine design you have. Please post some pictures of the whole machine front and back, and a few detail shots of the internals behind the covers. Quote Uwe (pronounced "OOH-vuh" ) Links: Videos
Members CustomDoug Posted October 2, 2020 Author Members Report Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) Hi guys... THANKS SO MUCH for y'alls help!! Uwe, you were real close with the Seiko.. the following is a picture of my machine, also a pdf of the newest version of it from consew. http://www.consew.com/Files/112347/PDF/287RB.pdf Edited October 5, 2020 by Northmount uploaded photos here Quote Does Anyone Know Where the Love of God Goes When the Waves Turn Minutes to Hours?
Members CustomDoug Posted October 2, 2020 Author Members Report Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) Edited October 5, 2020 by Northmount uploaded photos here Quote Does Anyone Know Where the Love of God Goes When the Waves Turn Minutes to Hours?
Uwe Posted October 2, 2020 Report Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) That’s a step in the right direction. Thanks for the pictures. I’m willing to bet money that this is a rebadged Seiko LCW-8BL design. Let’s use this parts list a common reference: http://www.seiko-sewing.co.jp/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/PARTS_LCW-8BL_8BLV_8BL-1_8BLV-1_1.pdf Edited October 2, 2020 by Uwe Quote Uwe (pronounced "OOH-vuh" ) Links: Videos
Members CustomDoug Posted October 2, 2020 Author Members Report Posted October 2, 2020 Sounds good ... I also have the following parts list from the newer Consew version: http://www.consew.com/Files/112347/PartsBooks/287RB-2.pdf Of course if they're the close enough and you're more familiar with the Seiko, then by all means.. let's use yours. So, to recap - top stitches too short in forward (at max adjustment length), and Reverse acting funny (short on top & loops on bottom). Couple other issues I'm noticing [may or may not be related to the main problem]: -after sewing a line of stitches, bringing needle just past the top and lifting the foot - the thread does not put out easily for me to snip them off (I have to rock or sometimes manually reverse the hand wheel to get the work to pull out far enough). -Also, I keep getting the feeling my top thread tension is just a bit too tight despite having the thumb screw/spring loosened quite well. Quote Does Anyone Know Where the Love of God Goes When the Waves Turn Minutes to Hours?
Uwe Posted October 2, 2020 Report Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) I’m guessing the Consew 287R is the same as the Consew 227R , but with the added automatic lubrication bits. So, the Consew 227R appears to be a Seiko CW-8B design, and the Consew 287R is a Seiko LCW-8B design. The feed mechanism and basic adjustments should be the identical on these machines. I have a Honbo HB-8B machine, which is yet another clone of the Seiko CW-8B design. It came with a manual that has an adjustment section for hook timing etc. - but the adjustments section is entirely in Chinese. I scanned my printed manual into a PDF and I’ll try to translate key sections into English using Google translate. I’ll report back . . . Edited October 2, 2020 by Uwe Quote Uwe (pronounced "OOH-vuh" ) Links: Videos
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