What is it? Buscadero holster or not?

[Dave Richardson]

Is the first picture a buscadero because of the sharp downward angle at the loop ?  In the pattern pack of the second picture the belt is straight, no downward angle, what would you call this style ?

 

Edited March 28, 2021 by Northmount
Changed title to reflect post content

[JamesRiley]

I don't pretend to be an expert on  nomenclature, but it was my understanding that" buscadero" wasn't so much about angles as it was 1.  the bottom edge of the belt has a dip, or extension below parallel, and 2. that extension had a slot in it from which the holster would hang.  Whereas a non-buscadero would have the holster over the whole belt. 

So, as I understand it, yes, that first picture shows a buscadero no matter the angle of the slot.

It was also my understanding the buscadero is a Hollywood invention that never really existed in the 19th Century.

I stand by to be corrected.

[Dwight]

JamesRiley has it all correct from my understanding as well.

Plus . . . I personally would never make one like that.  Without the proper curvature of the belt . . . lots of the "buttless cowboys" would never be able to keep the gun belt from sliding to their knees every time they coughed or sneezed.

May God bless,

Dwight

Edited March 25, 2021 by Dwight

[Dave Richardson]

1 hour ago, Dwight said:

JamesRiley has it all correct from my understanding as well.

Plus . . . I personally would never make one like that.  Without the proper curvature of the belt . . . lots of the "buttless cowboys" would never be able to keep the gun belt from sliding to their knees every time they coughed or sneezed.

May God bless,

Dwight

You would never make one like what ?

[Dave Richardson]

2 hours ago, JamesRiley said:

I don't pretend to be an expert on  nomenclature, but it was my understanding that" buscadero" wasn't so much about angles as it was 1.  the bottom edge of the belt has a dip, or extension below parallel, and 2. that extension had a slot in it from which the holster would hang.  Whereas a non-buscadero would have the holster over the whole belt. 

So, as I understand it, yes, that first picture shows a buscadero no matter the angle of the slot.

It was also my understanding the buscadero is a Hollywood invention that never really existed in the 19th Century.

I stand by to be corrected.

My description of sharp downward angle was to describe the " dip in the belt below parallel " . The tandy pattern has no dip in the belt but the holster hangs in a slot below parallel, so does that make it a buscadero as well ?

Edited March 25, 2021 by Dave Richardson

[Dwight]

IT IS a buscadero if it does one thing . . . the holster hangs from a loop on the bottom of the cartridge belt. 

That is the only requirement to turn a normal holster into a buscadero.

My comment comes from the teaching of John Bianchi . . . (super master holster maker) . . . who stressed that any gun belt that was cut so that most or all of it was pretty much one straight piece . . . you just couldn't get it to hang on a buttless cowboy . . . an age related thing that happens to a lot of men.  

Their butt does not disappear . . . it just moves around front above the waist line . . . leaving bones and cheek skin . . . needing a curved belt to keep up the three pounds of shooting steel and 2 or three pounds of ammo from falling to their ankles every time they cough or sneeze.

May God bless,

Dwight

[JamesRiley]

It's difficult for me to use words to explain my meaning.  Compare: All of the belts in the picture that I will attach to this this post do *not* have any dip at all.  The bottom edge of each belt runs parallel to the top edge for the entire length of the belt.  And there is no slot in the belts.  The holster goes over the entire belt.  This is the traditional way gun belts were used in the 19th Century. 

However, both of the belts in your pics in the original post have a dip in the belt below parallel.  In other words, the bottom edge of the belt runs parallel to the top edge of the belt for most of the length, but there is a spot where the leather increases in width below the parallel line, and then returns back up to parallel.  In that dip, on both  belts, you  find a slot through which the holster is connected to the belt.  That is called buscadero,  regardless of the angle of the slot, or lack of an angle. 

edited to add: my comments do not account for Dwight's detail on belt configuration for fitting around a buttless cowboy.  I haven't reached that level of expertise in my work. 

Edited March 25, 2021 by JamesRiley

[Dave Richardson]

26 minutes ago, Dwight said:

IT IS a buscadero if it does one thing . . . the holster hangs from a loop on the bottom of the cartridge belt. 

That is the only requirement to turn a normal holster into a buscadero.

AHHHHHHHH now that makes sense. Thanks !

I also understand the buttless cowboy.....The curved belt was my next question LOL...thanks for clearing that up ahead of time.

Dwight

 

[Aven]

4 hours ago, Dwight said:

IT IS a buscadero if it does one thing . . . the holster hangs from a loop on the bottom of the cartridge belt. 

That is the only requirement to turn a normal holster into a buscadero.

My comment comes from the teaching of John Bianchi . . . (super master holster maker) . . . who stressed that any gun belt that was cut so that most or all of it was pretty much one straight piece . . . you just couldn't get it to hang on a buttless cowboy . . . an age related thing that happens to a lot of men.  

Their butt does not disappear . . . it just moves around front above the waist line . . . leaving bones and cheek skin . . . needing a curved belt to keep up the three pounds of shooting steel and 2 or three pounds of ammo from falling to their ankles every time they cough or sneeze.

May God bless,

Dwight

Thank you so much for that Dwight.  It made me laugh after such a day.  I needed the smile.

That's the best description I have every heard, describing that phenomenon.

[billybopp]

16 hours ago, Dwight said:

IT IS a buscadero if it does one thing . . . the holster hangs from a loop on the bottom of the cartridge belt. 

That is the only requirement to turn a normal holster into a buscadero.

My comment comes from the teaching of John Bianchi . . . (super master holster maker) . . . who stressed that any gun belt that was cut so that most or all of it was pretty much one straight piece . . . you just couldn't get it to hang on a buttless cowboy . . . an age related thing that happens to a lot of men.  

Their butt does not disappear . . . it just moves around front above the waist line . . . leaving bones and cheek skin . . . needing a curved belt to keep up the three pounds of shooting steel and 2 or three pounds of ammo from falling to their ankles every time they cough or sneeze.

May God bless,

Dwight

I resemble that remark!