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[Klara]

8 hours ago, fredk said:

I'm not sure about this.

About 15 -16 years ago #3 son and I managed to make some nfo and it was a slightly viscous liquid smelling very beefey. A bit like maple syrup in viscosity. A lot of effort to make about a 1/2 pint but we was learning to make stuff like that, and tallow candles and horn laterns and other weird stuff....

It's quite possible Jessica Jahiel has never actually seen pure neatsfoot oil. Or she saw some in winter, at 20 below.... Smell is also relative. In any case, the leather oil I have here from tack-oiling days clearly states "neatsfoot oil compound" and talks about a blend (with vegetable oils) in the description on the back (orange bottle by Carr, Day and Martin). It also promises not to rot the stitches...

Deco-cuir sell a yellow liquid that is supposedly pure nfo and they only warn that it will become stiff at low temperatures and recommend to heat it when crystals are forming. 

Regarding recorders, I have never read nor heard a recommendation to add Vitamin E to the oil. That idea doesn't seem to have crossed the Atlantic yet...

Edited September 6, 2021 by Klara

[chuck123wapati]

12 hours ago, ScottWolf said:

 

Chuck, thank you for that little peek into your personal life as a plant manager.Not sure what relevance it brings to this conversation or the question I asked you initially though.

I didn't miss it or ignore your point, as you didn't answer the question I asked prior to that. I don't know why you are being so elusive about what conditioners you choose to use on ANY of the types of leather you are referring to. It's simple, do you use any commercial leather conditioning products, and if so, which ones by name? I just find it strange that you are intentionally going out of your way to avoid directly answering a simple question. Makes one wonder.

 

Do I have a MSDS? That's some serious deflection friend. You know I don't have an MSDS. But seeing how you were a plant manager and had a book of MSDS, you know I don't need one, as I am not selling anything I make, it's all for my personal use. But if you want to be pedantic, I could make one through aggregation, given that everything I use is natural and also commonly listed in the MSDS's of most commercially available products. Items like Beeswax, Carnauba, Sweet almond oil, Vitamin E, Coco butter, Shea Butter, Lanolin and just about anything else that is natural and not a petroleum product and or a chemical alternative to a natural product. That includes the food grade D-Limonene I use in one of my recipes, as it is listed in the Code of Federal Regulations as GRAS (Generally Recognized As Safe) and states as much on the actual MSDS I have for it. The only real concern is that it is a flammable liquid and something to keep in mind when making the conditioner. So what I think you are trying to get at is, Yes, I do know what is in my DIY leather conditioning products and so should everyone else, whether they buy their conditioner commercially or make it themselves.

So, which commercial leather conditioning products do you use Chuck? 

Friend I'm not going to play Fakebook you tell me first games with you. You simply wanted to know what i use in an effort to show me i don't know what is in what i use to make some point. I don't know what the point you wanted to make was or even care but I'm sure it was to prove my "misconceptions" wrong to some degree. The relevance of my life was equally simple to understand and you know that also, don't play dumb i know your not! I do know what i use and what's in it I don't need your help with that others may but I don't.

 You came on here telling everyone that there is a misconception about vegetable oils going rancid there is no misconception vegetable oils go rancid period end of story. I'm not going to use them on anything i make period end of story. yes you can make them work if......... blah blah blah I'm not into if.....when making something for other humans. You like it, you make it, you use it period end of story. That is how i learned what I like and I am sure that's how you will learn what you like. Good luck to you friend.

We do agree that everyone should know what is in everything they use so we can leave it at that. 

BTW  msds sheets contain info about the product created not only the products used in its creation, Clorox and ammonia don't mix for example and create something much different and deadly when mixed so no aggregation doesn't always work in creating an MSDS.   msds for neats foot=   https://www.springfieldleather.com/sds-sheets/Fiebings/Fiebings Pure Neatsfoot Oil.pdf   d-limonene msds =https://www.bulkapothecary.com/content/SDS/D-Limonene SDS - BA19.pdf .  I'll use neats foot thanks.

[ScottWolf]

1 hour ago, chuck123wapati said:

Friend I'm not going to play Fakebook you tell me first games with you. You simply wanted to know what i use in an effort to show me i don't know what is in what i use to make some point. I don't know what the point you wanted to make was or even care but I'm sure it was to prove my "misconceptions" wrong to some degree. The relevance of my life was equally simple to understand and you know that also, don't play dumb i know your not! I do know what i use and what's in it I don't need your help with that others may but I don't.

 You came on here telling everyone that there is a misconception about vegetable oils going rancid there is no misconception vegetable oils go rancid period end of story. I'm not going to use them on anything i make period end of story. yes you can make them work if......... blah blah blah I'm not into if.....when making something for other humans. You like it, you make it, you use it period end of story. That is how i learned what I like and I am sure that's how you will learn what you like. Good luck to you friend.

We do agree that everyone should know what is in everything they use so we can leave it at that. 

BTW  msds sheets contain info about the product created not only the products used in its creation, Clorox and ammonia don't mix for example and create something much different and deadly when mixed so no aggregation doesn't always work in creating an MSDS.   msds for neats foot=   https://www.springfieldleather.com/sds-sheets/Fiebings/Fiebings Pure Neatsfoot Oil.pdf   d-limonene msds =https://www.bulkapothecary.com/content/SDS/D-Limonene SDS - BA19.pdf .  I'll use neats foot thanks.

Dude, ease off on the caffeine or whatever has you so amped. I was just asking what you use for conditioning, since it appeared you were attentive to what's in the products you use. And face it, it's weird that you'd participate in a thread on conditioner, yet guard what you use like its a secret you are afraid to reveal. 

CONTEXT. I assumed everyone would be able to gather that from my initial post, as I even explained the circumstances, but "there is always one" as we say in the military. Taking something out of context, like you just did in your statement above, is why people in leather forums keep parroting misinformation about "going rancid". Yes, as I stated,BY THEMSELVES, substances can go rancid, that can be quantified by the substances Iodine Value, which by itself, doesn't disqualify a substance's use  in a product. The two most widely used substances used in leather crafting , generally speaking, that is routinely used by itself is Neatsfoot oil and to a lesser degree, EVOO ( Extra Virgin Olive Oil).  The saving grace , and what offsets being used by themselves, is that most people use it sparingly/responsibly and also use other conditioning products on the leather, as well as take care of it. 

I think we both know what purposes MSDS serve. I think its you playing games here now. And by aggregate, I simply meant gather various MSDS of conditiong products , with the same/identical substances in them, to illustrate what ever point you were trying to make in asking if I had an MSDS for the products I make at home. So, with all that out of the way, care to share with us what conditioning products you use besides neatsfoot oil? No strings attached, I promise.  

 

[tsunkasapa]

I clearly understood him to say he used NFO. It is the only thing I use any more.