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Hi Sandy. I know the houses are small in Holland; I have been living 5 years in Antwerp. I worked as a truck driver in my younger days and I used to drive much on Holland. I have seen Amsterdam’s smallest house, I hope you do not live there. We got more space here in Norway, but I am still able to fill up my house to. The Old machines are no junk, although I have newer machines I still use my Old Adler 5 every day. It never misses a stitch; it is of much better quality than today’s machines. According to my information the only bobbins from Adler 104 that fits Adler 4 (and 45K) is the A. 104-2. (I am not 100% sure about this; it is hard to get information). You must ask for the 104 small shuttle bobbins. Otherwise, The Dürkopp Adler part number for the bobbins is 005002420 (original old Adler 4 and 5 part number is 05242) I am buying a new Japanese Hirose shuttle for my old 5 from an English firm. If you change much from thin to thick thread it is best to have two shuttles, otherwise it is easy to destroy the bobbin tension. (The machine is obsolete and parts are very hard to find, you most buy a complete shuttle from similar product) https://www.college-sewing.co.uk/default.aspx GBP 9, 80 for 4 bobbins. If you need a manual please give me your e-mail (for your security in this format; "your name att domain dot com") or send it in a PM. Here is an Adler 4-4 with a cabinet for small workshops. Trox To upload pictures: Take a picture and store it in your computer, remeber the folder you stored it in. Before you add your reply here you will see a button "Click to attach files" click and a box with folders appear. Find your folder and file, mark it and click OK. Try to keep the pictures small, or they will huge on the board.

Hi Darren, I do not know if, or what Singer copied to make the 42-5. But the 42-5 looks different. It has a rounded needle plate an alternating pressers. I have only seen the 42-5 in a picture, but it is different in many other ways to. The lube pot, and so on. I am sure you know your Singers , But this machine is a Adler 4 or a 45K. I will bet 5 Eur it is a Adler class 4. Trox:no:

Hi Sandy! Post a picture of the shuttle and I will idenify the machine for you. ( if the shuttle is a original) I can give you the name of a English company where you can buy bobbins. Singer or Adler, both are built to last a millennium anyway. Trox

Here is a class 5-27 with the spoked hand wheel and a jump foot . This have the other kind of stitch regulator. Trox

The Adler class 4 came in more than 26 subclasses and at the end of production in the color blue grey. However, the Adler color is greyer; this is not the right color. I have a class 5 machine, a original part list for class 5, a manual for the class 4 and 5. The machine comes with all kinds of hand wheel. It came with two different bobbin winders to, manual and automatic. The one on the picture is the manual one. In the picture, you will se two different stitch regulators and two different hand wheel. Some of the subclasses look just the same as the 45K, so you must look at the parts stamping. There is no reference for Adler serial number that I know of, but Singer has a reference on their web site. Take a closer look and tell us what you see. A13.pdf A14.pdf

Hi Sandy, Sewmun might be right it is maybe a Singer 45K, but it is more likely the ancestor of the Adler 104, an Adler class 4 with drop feed. The Adler class 4 (flatbed) and class 5 (Cylinder arm) looks exactly like the Singer class 45 K. That is because Singer have copied the Adler model (and many other models to) Some of the 45K came in this blue gray color, but this machine is most likely painted. It has no decals or subclass number plate on the front. As you said, the Adler is a much more common and popular machine main land Europe. To be sure, you must look at the stamping on the parts, and the main part number on the back of the machine. The Singer parts have simanco stamp on them. Many parts are also interchangeable like the shuttle. However, the 45K has a closed frame shuttle and the Adler an open frame one. Because this machine is for sale in the Netherlands, I think it is an Adler. Singer is not alone copying popular sewing machine models, but here I find a strange model from Singer, The 45A 92 http://parts.singerco.com/IPpartCharts/45A92.pdf It is a copy of the Adler 204 -64. In addition, Singer 45A 93 http://parts.singerco.com/IPpartCharts/45A93.pdf who is a copy of the Adler 205-64. If you look at the part lists and compare them with the Adler part list, you will see it has Adler part numbers. It is photocopies of the Adler part list. I wonder if Sewmun or anybody else has seen any of this Singer models in the US before. Trox (Adler fan)

We are all here to help fellow leather workers; a picture is just a bonus. You did the right thing. A few year ago those machine was worth a lot of dollars, but times are changing fast. I expect nobody to pay that much just to rescue a machine. I hope the old man will wake up soon and smell the coffee. Otherwise, the machines will die with him. Trox

But I will still like to se a picture, I collect old Adler machines Trox

Hi Jack, Here in Scandinavia we use a lot of those big Adlers Wizcraft mentioned and older models to. That because nobody sell those upgraded Chinese 441 clones. A 9 inch machine from Cowboy or Cobra is in that price range, and it will take thread from 69 to 415. You can also buy an upgrade mega flywheel for about 110 USD, that will make the machine an unbeatable lock stitcher. Sewing up to 7/8 of an inch in leather. They comes complete with everything, servo, speed reducer and different feet`s. All major sewing machine brands are manufactured in China now anyway, and the quality is good. It is a easy choise for you who live in the states. You already have the machines for light work; with a 441 clone, your workshop will be complete for every sewing task. Trox quote name='jack523' timestamp='1310723192' post='206098'] i think you may have changed my mind on that old machine i looked at the one did he buy it from you?

Hi, It is either a old Adler class 20-20 or a Adler class 220 50- 72 0r 50-272 ( 20 inch on or two needle long arm) with high lift. If its old 20-20, 2000 USD is way to much to pay regardless of state. But if its a class 220 high lift long arm it will bee worth some dollars. The last machine is mostly used for sail, awnings and tents. The class 20-20 is also for the same kind of work. But this is only speculation we need a picture. This are not machines set up for leather work, but it will stich thick materials. You better speak to Cobra Steve or some other dealer here on the forum or look in the used section. You can buy a new 9 inch Juki 441 clone from one of the dealer for that price, set up for leather work, stitching thicker and doing mutch better job. Speak to Cobra Steve or the Cowboy dealers, you will get the best of machines and service. Trox quote name='jack523' timestamp='1310615557' post='205935'] I have found an old Adler machine with allot of clean up to do. The old man isgoing to clean it up; he said the model number is a Alder 2020. Ihave looked at it and could not find a model number on it. It has 19" to20" from the back of the throat to needle and 8" of clearance. I did some looking at machine like it and its called a LONG Arm very heavy machine. Ithas a chain pulley set-up with clutch motor. I would like some one to help me find some more info on this machine or tell me where to look the model number on this beast. The head is very heavy may weigh 200 Lbs. Whatthe price of a machine like this my cost? He wants $2000 for it. I want to start doing some heavy stitching work on leather. I think the this will make a good machine just needs allot clean up rusted in a few spots and missing a bobbin winder part. The old man said he will find the part. Please help me gather info. I would appreciate it. Garry

Hi JeffinPa, I just bought those same part of Duerkopp Adler Norway (Norway is a High cost country) It was only about 12 USD for a complete thread tensioner. You can use any tensioner or knob, but the adjustabel thread guide, top left on the plate is very necesseary. Without it the thread slack will be to large and catch some other part and jam the machine. Weaver leather have everything for the 267 (you are US based?) Several Dealer on the forum sell DA parts as well, like Campbell Randall and Toledo Bob bob. The take up lever is also adjustebal, if the top thread slack still is to big ( I had that problem on mine). What color is your machine, is is a change in the machines 2003. But the tension parts are the same. If it is without position drive you can buy this system from Cobra Steve. About 200 USD, is is not as good as Efka but is a tenth of the price, together with a speed reducer you will have a very good machine. The motor makes the machine. Special sewing foot`s is easy to find. U can use the same as the Adler`s 67, 69, 68, 167 , 168 and 268. But the Adler 467 and 767 uses a different foot. Good luck with your new machine ( but you will not need it, it is the top of the line German quality) Greetings Trox

If you want to stitch it you must leave space for the seam and the grovers comes in all sizes.. U use the same as the tread size. I find this method easier than an edge guide on such small items. And looks better to. But a smaller machine will certainly be helpfull.

I always use a stitch grover on both sides on work like this. The needle will take the easy way and the seam will lay protected in the grove. A Singer 29k or a Adler 30 with low foot pressure will do this job just fine. If you do not have one, go bare foot on the clutch pedal and hang on the flywheel. Use a thin needle and thread.

I always use a stitch grover on both sides, the needle will take the easy way and the seam will lay protected in the grove. A Singer 29K or a Adler 30 patcher with low foot pressure will do the job just fine. If you got one. If not, hand on the flywheel and bare foot on the clutch pedal.

Hello Jeffin, You must look in the Dürkopp Adler’s European web site. Here is the link direct to the 267 in the download area. http://www.duerkopp-adler.com/en/main/Support/downloads/index.html?action=search&prop0=%2Fcommons%2Fdownload%2Fpublic%2F267%2F&prop1= You will find everything you need there. The 267 is still produced in two subclasses (I am not 100 % sure about the subclasses) 267-273, 2 needle and 267-373 single needle both for leather work . I have a 267 subclass ; K267-990065-373. With an Efka dc 1600 needle position servo motor. It is a good and reliable machine, I am very happy with it. Especially the Efka DC motor system. I also have the forerunner the Adler 67-73. This one had a clutch motor; I replaced this with a 600 W servo and speed reducer from Cobra Steve. It now works very well. (I am selling the 67; I do not need two of the same class) They both have max 7 mm stitch length and will sew up to 3/8 of an inch in leather. Your machine 267-GK373 uses needle system 134-35 up to size 150 (metric) and tread size synthetic Nm 30/3 This according to my manual. However, it will also work with one or two sizes thicker tread for sure. I use my 267 for upholstery and light leather works. I have bigger Adler machines for thick leather. What parts are missing? You can get parts for this machine everywhere. Where are you based? Just ask if you need more info. If you have a picture of the machine, of the missing part area. It will make things a little easier. I hope this was at some help. Trox

Steve is worth those extra dollars and miles. Trox

Hej Knut, I like it! This is the best type of treadle stand. Minimalist design, well suited for a tight shoe repair shop. Great job as usual! Trox

Her is a a 20th century Norwegian pedestal, next time I will show you a modern one.

Great stuff,let`s see some pictures

Hello SilverStar! The Adler class 105 barrel shuttle cylinder bed is made of Koch Adler from 1950 to 1980. It is A saddler machine and will sew up to ½ inch of leather or other material. The under class 25 Mo is special made for sewing moccasins. It has drop feed and a driven upper foot (jump foot) It still is a very good machine and has superior quality. I found a leaflet on the German company Sieck.de for you. Trox adler-0105-mo-rm-25.pdf

Hi! That is because the needle is punching down true the leather and makes a exit wound. The bottom stitches will never look as good as the top ones on firm leather, this is normal. Hammering the seam flat will make it look better. You can use a sponge with some water before you hammer it; if needed. But this you know already. The bottom stitch looks better with one size thinner thread than the top one. Adjustment are the tension and foot pressure. The right size of needle will also matter. A shorter stitch might also improve. But post a picture of it, that is the only way to determine if it looks normal. Trox

No thank you; I will not call him. I am still waiting for some small parts that I paid for last year. He says it lost in the mail. And I he lost a customer I am afraid.

Hi Wiz! Did you pimp any of your machineswith a bigger pulley? Or do you know of anybody else doing it the same way as the Harnessman. What about after marked parts for big heavy Adler and Singer stitchers. Like the Ferdinand Bull did with some stock sewing machines, converted them to Bull Machines. With among other parts; bigger hand wheels. Anybody knows where to get parts like that? Did he make those big hand wheels himself or ordered them from Asia. Is it any suppliers selling stuff like that? Trox

Hello Arno Say hello to Andreas from me, Tor in Oslo Norwegen. He is a great guy to deal with. If you go there to try the clones, please tell me what you think of the Adler 205 clone compared to the Juki 441 clone. The Adler 205 clone has the highest price there, that is maybe so because it is a copy of a German well known product. Or maybe it is like Sieck sayes; a better and stronger machine than the Juki 441 copy (clone) How thick/thin will they sew, max/min needle and tread size.......Which machine needs the most adjustment by thread switching and so on... I am very interested in the outcome of that test, And it will make a good topic here in the forum. 200 km is what; one hour on the autobahn? Gute fart! Thanks Trox