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The difference in quality is huge, normally reflected in the price. A Japanese machine made in Japan is much better than a Chinese machine ever will be. That said, Chinese machines are much better than before. As Darren said, it depends on whom you buy them from, warranty and support. When a German or Japanese sewing machine is produced in China, they should be produced to a certain spec. and quality. However, they are produced to a lower cost, I sorry to say this, but I do not think we ever will get the same good old quality as before. Trox

Hi KND, The guys are right, your machine is threaded wrong. Did it fix the problem? Hi Cobra Steve, it is a good Idea with a video on troubleshooting treading an simple stuff on your website (youtube), This are issues happening to all brands of sewing machines. Trox

Hi, First, Juki is made in Japan not in USA (and maybe in China too) The TSC 441 is a very popular model that is copied a lot by Chinese manufacturers. These copies, called china clones are imported to the US marked and sold under different brands like Cobra and Cowboy. They are set up to sew leather up to 7/8 of an inch and have many accessories for use on leather. The Chinese produce most of the big sewing machine brands now, even Dürkopp Adler, and the quality is much better than before. Not many buy an original Juki 441 anymore when a good clone is available for a third of the price. The clones can even sew thicker and have more extras than the original. A lot of our member use them daily and are satisfied with them. However, if you decide you want to buy an original Juki 441, the head only cost about 32000 to 35000 NOK in Norway. I cannot believe it cost as much as 70000 SEK in Sweden. One of the best copies of the 441 is made by Global (Global also make machines for Dürkopp Adler). Global is a well-known company, I believe the head is about 25000 NOK. It is also possible to buy a clone complete with stand and motor (an other brand) for that same price here in Norway. Trox

Good luck, The foot is not feeding, the spring action is on the return of the foot. Anyway it is a much better feeding system for leather than bottom feed alone. I have machines with trippel feed and with needle feed. I like this jump foot system better than the needle feed, but the tripple feed is best on leather of course. Trox

Hi, Here is the Adler machine that Claes is a copy of, this machine sews 14 mm thick leather and have no problem with different layers. It is a spring loaded foot that follows the material back as its feeding with the feed dog ( lower feed) The foot moves up and the spring moves it back forward again. The height on the foot is adjusted on the front thumb screw mechanism. This was the previos generation of saddlers heavy leather stitcher, before todays moddern heavy trippel feed (walking foot) machines. It takes the heavyest threds. I still use this machine, it works very well. The price on that Claes is very low and it look very good too. You can look at www.sieck.de for price comparison. Trox

I agree with Wiz, the Claes has bottom feed and a moveabel jump foot. I have a similar feed on one of my Adler machines, and it work very well on leather. Trox

When the hook jams up the safety clutch releases. Then you must remove the bobbin house and clean out the tread etc. before you engage it again. You did not do that, just adjusted the hook timing. So yes, it is must likely out of timing. Hold the hook shaft ( under the bed) and turn the handwheel in reverse until the clutch engages (and you will see the 2 small balls pop out in the clutch) Then check if the tip of the hook is on the center of the needle, over the needle hole, when the needle bar has traveled 1,8 mm from it`s lowest point. Set the stitch lenght to zero before adjusting. Or read the service manual, how to do it. I hope this helps. Trox quote name='soapit' timestamp='1326228635' post='228440'] thanks Steve& Greg .Is there a way i can tell if i am running my machine 180 out. Would it cost alot to refurbish this machine or is it worth it.

Hi, I just sold my Adler 67-73, great machine but I changed it for a new 267-373 with Efka Dc stop motor. I still have part list, manual and service manual on Pdf, but in German only. They are hard to find in english You can buy 2 needle conversation kit`s for this class and for the 267 machine also, that may explain the 2 holes in the tread trake up. Parts and manuals are available here: http://sew24.blogspot.com/p/downloads.html Or send me a PM with your email and I will send you what I have. Trox. You can use Google trans.if you do not understand German Trox

Hi Massive, I have used this machines for many years and never had the problems of the lifting of leather and markings on the top. But I use polished foot for the top feed and a feed dog ( bottom feed and top feed together) It will leave some markings on the back side, but reducing the tension and using a hammer on the back side at once the seam is done, will take care of that. (before the marking will fix) But of course a modern triple feed system is the best thing. I have ordered steel for welding up the stand for this and a Pfaff 345 machine. I will post pictures of it here when done. Trox

We do not have those Randall’s here in Europe, though I wish I had one. Ask Dan Naegle Campbell Randall leather machinery, he is a member here on leatherworker, CampbellRandall. He knows all that is to know about those machines, and I have parts for it and the Adler too. I forgot to post the link to the youtube video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJAshttLEZg&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL. It looks like a 105-25/sp75 or a 105-8025. I have the same feed as the 105-25Mo.

Hi Massive, A ½ inch was a bit cautious; I have one that will sew about 15 to 16 mm thick leather. It is a different subclass but the same machine. My 105 - 25MO has a foot lift max 19 mm. It is not only to change a foot. I am currently building up a 105-25 Mo for normal saddler use. I have changed the needle plate to a standard plate # 005 00 627 0 and fitted a feed dog # 005 00 596 0 ( this parts are found on the 105 subclasses 6,8 and 25,) You will also be able to use plates and feed dogs from the older class 5 machine ( the forerunner of the 105) Dürkopp Adler still have these parts, you can download the complete part list for all 105 subclasses on the blog “ The world of Dürkopp Adler parts” ( see my topic with the same name http://leatherworker.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=36185 ) How to down load the part list . I also made some small modifications on the stitch regulator locking plate (see picture) so I have reverse. The 105-25 will not only sew moccasin’s, it has top and bottom feed, which is adjusted separately. You must set the top feed to zero to use the reverse. (The 25Mo has no reverse without modifications; the reverse can only be used with the bottom feed. It is no reverse on the top feed). It is possible to use only one of the feed systems at the time; changing the needle plate and take off the feed dog, to use only the top feed. Just turn off the top feed and you will have a bottom feed machine with reverse, it can be used with a roller foot this way. It uses a standard foot, the same as Adler the other 105 subclasses, the Adler 205- 64, 204 - 64 and many Singer 45 K machines. I bought a new shuttle, servomotor and speed reducer for the machine on the picture. In addition, I am welding up a new modern one-leg stand for it. I will post pictures of it when it is finished. The machine on the video is a 105 it looks like a subclass -8025, ( same feed as the 25MO) study the complete part list for part you can use. Trox

The world of Dürkopp Adler parts and parts numbers, Info about the classes 105, 104, 5 and 4 　 Finding a the right spare part for an old Adler Industrial sewing machine can often be a big challenge. 　 　 If you buy an old Singer, you will most certainly find documentation and spare part lists on the web, for Adler machines this not that easy to find. Many have search all over the web for spare part lists for their old Adler without luck. And many had to pay for a partlist or manual just to discover it is for a different subclass or the wrong machine class. To find the part you need the right part number. Often the manufacturer has changed the Machines. Improvement and corrections of errors. The new replacement part/ amendment part numbers is written down, but the number on the replaced part is not. An example is the class 105 and 104 where the shuttle is changed two times. First for a bigger one, to fit that bigger shuttle they had to change many other parts to, like the shuttle driver. The shuttle change number two; was from an open frame type shuttle to a same size closed frame shuttle, with a different tension spring and adjustment screw. The number on the parts the machine originally came with is not written down in the part lists. This makes it very difficult to find the right shuttle for an old machine with the first type of shuttle. I addressed Dürkopp Adler with this problem on their new blog . I gave them some old shuttle numbers; they did some researching and finally gave me the right replacement numbers. Dürkopp Adler has promised to write down those old numbers of changes in the new edition of their partlists. The class 105 (and 104 flatbed) first came with a small open frame shuttle from its forerunner class 5; # 05 195 and the bobbin # 05 242 (the first letters in DA# is from the machine class ex.05 = class 5) the closed frame shuttle; # 005 00 290 4 with bobbin # 005 00 242 0 replaced this. This shuttle is still available in stock as # 0005 00 290 4 (small) and bobbin # 0005 00 242 0 The small shuttle in was later changed for the bigger # 065 00 185 4 bobbin # 020 00 201 0 This was replaced by the current big (industrial standard) shuttle; # 0204 15 010 4 (Big) and same bobbin # 020 00 201 0 (same as class 205 and 204) 　 　 　 To summarize this up; your class 5 and 4 machine will use the small shuttle. (And also a Singer 45K shuttle if you change the needle system, same size shuttle, minor different hook tip) Your 105 and 104 machine will use either the small or the big shuttle (depending on date of production or if it is been rebuild) Your 205 or 204 machine will use the big shuttle (that big shuttle will also fit the Juki 441 and others) 　 The first small shuttle #05 195 (class. 4/5 and early 104/105) has an open frame shuttle with a very small tension adjustment screw, that always will wear out too fast. This screw and tension spring is obsolete. The rest of the shuttle may be fine, but you have to buy the complete new shuttle to correct the problem. It may be possible to change for the new bobbin house # 005 00 292 4, it looks like a fit (se picture). The new blog Dürkopp Adler has started "The world of Dürkopp Adler spare part" Has a download section with many of the old big classes They have seen the need of spare parts and documentations for the old classes. The old machines was made to good, they simply will not die. Here you will find manuals, spare part lists and attachments for the old classes not covered on Dürkopp Adler's main site. Even obsolete parts can be ordered and made Thanks to Thomas Brinkhoff Head of Spare Parts Business DÜRKOPP ADLER AG Trox

Everybody says Original Adler parts are too expensive, I do not think so. I just bought a new complete shuttle for my Adler 105 from Dürkopp Adler Norway. The price was the same as for an aftermarket shuttle from Hirose on EBay. 189$ here in Norway (one of the most expensive country in the world) this was a part stamped Dürkopp Adler. And thanks to the new blog I found the right shuttle for my obsolete Adler class 5-27, Dürkopp Adler still have shuttles for the old class 5 and class 4. You just need the right part number and I have those numbers. I am about to start a new topic about DA spare parts and part numbers for the old classes 105, 104 , 5 and 4 with all subclasses. I will inform you about missing part numbers and changes on machines that I know of there. Trox

Hi Adler fans, Dürkopp Adler has started a blog where you will find manuals and sparepart lists for all 105 sub classes including 105-64. And a lot more stuff on old Adlers. "The world of Dürkopp Adler spare parts" http://sew24.blogspot.com/p/downloads.html Here is the good stuff free. Hi James, read up. Let the downloads finish, they are very slow. Trox

Hi Arvid, This is way too expensive for a Singer 7. It has to big sewing foots for your purpose, and you cannot get other sewing foot’s for it. The only one who have any foots for it must be Bob here, but he do not I believe. This is not a machine for thinner threads; it works best on thick webbing and nylon with heavy threads. It is a very strong machine, but much too heavy for your use on wallets and belts. The video on the Adler is uploading on youtube now, and mail is on it’s way. (Sorry for the delay) Trox (Tor i Oslo)

I use only transparent sewingmachine oil on my machines, if this dry in it will not stain your machine. Do not use CNC spray or such, it is to strong on the metal. Use only the oil recommended by the manufacturer. Trox

Hi, Ask Wizcraft, he has an Rex machine and should know them. Trox

Hi Steve, The Elastique and the colibri is old shoe patchers, shoe repair sewing machines patents. The machine on the last picture looks like an old kochs Adler. I think the logo with the lions is a Baer and Kocks, the first logo before the brand Adler, Kochs Adler, Adler nahmaschinewerke.......Adler and Düerkopp Adler. You can read some of the story here if you use Google translator or read German; http://books.google.com/books?id=ml4-46L9EvcC&pg=PA86&dq=kochs+adler&hl=no&ei=UVE_TtiVIMiVswbWtLTLCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CC8Q6AEwATgo#v=twopage&q=kochs%20adler&f=true . It is from the book " Alte nähmaschinen; Namen, daten , fakten ( Old sewing machines; names; dates; facts) of Peter Wilhelm. And in the needlebar museum you will also find info about this old machines. Good luck. Trox

Hi Dominic, Dürkopp Adler makes the world finest sewing machines; I got six of them my self. About your question,The website had a great collection of sewing machines. I found many machines that you could use there. You need a one-needle lockstitch arm or postbed machine, triple feed or wheel and needle feed (on the postbed machine). I found only one Dürkopp Adler triple feed arm machine with one needle There There were many Dürkopp Adler postbed machines including some special models for working with jacket armholes and sleeves. There were many Pfaff models there to but no prices, with out knowing the prices it’s hard to make a recommendation. But I still think you will get more for the money buying a pfaff 335 triple feed arm model that a Adler 69, or 269. (similar model in Dürkopp Adler, The Adler’s are more expensive) Find a machine with an Efka 220V Dc 1600 or 1550 motor. Or a Ho`Sing position servomotor. With those motors, you will be able to sew stitch by stitch among other things. The company has many machines that you could use; It all depends on your budget. Tell them what you need and your budget. Then post their offers for you here with the price, this way it is easier to help you. Trox

Hi, that is way to much for a machine with drop feed and no reverse. This is a machine for the shoe industry; you will get a new clone of the same model for about the same price. Look for a used Pfaff 335 or 345 triple feed cylinder arm machine. A Necchi or a Moretti clone of that same Pfaff machine since you are based in Italy. To my knowledge, Italy is the leather industries “Biggest player” in Europe. Italy is world leader on new inventions for the leather industry. I do not think you will have any problems finding used equipment there. I know professional buyers of used leather machines that go there to buy equipment. I am very interested in various machines that are produced in your country myself, but My Italian is non-existent, and there are not many web pages in English there. I have an Italian leather skiving machine that is very good, the Italians make some fine machines. Trox

You can place your stitching where you want to, but if you want your work to look good, listen to the Leather Guru. Or look at his stitch work, it looks Fabulous. It is work of art Trox

Very good prices too, on the USA-dealer site they offer an antique Singer 7-57 for b(l)uffing wheels. Your price: Usd 25.000.00. The same price as ten Cobra or Cowboy “441” machines or a nice US convertible set of wheels.

Hi, You can use the service manual for the 29U171A_172A_173A http://parts.singerco.com/IPsvcManuals/ on singerco.com. This is a similar machine as the 29K. Trox

Hi Arvid I have also seen this machine for sale, and some other Norwegian leatherworkers have called me for advice on this machine. To add something to what Wiz is writing. I do not believe this is an unused machine, the paint do not look original. The machine must be at least 40 years old; looking at the parts that should be chrome color you, will se wear and rust. It looks like someone has painted up an old machine and tries to sell it as an unused one. I have advised the other ones to stay clear of this deal. This machine does takes a bit thicker tread than 69-bonded nylon, but it does not have the other qualities of a saddler machine needs. You want a cylinder arm machine who takes thick thread. I do have a few leatherworking machines myself, and I might want to sell one of them. Please send me a PM or an email and I will give you more information on this matter. Trox.