TexasLady

I already love this Thread. And it's funny enough that I'll even tell you my 'failure' story. Having had moderate success at tanning salmon skins, I wondered what else the grocery store might have that I could tan. Ah, turkey skins! So,...hmmm, all the grocery store had was 'smoked turkey legs'. I bought one and, after removing the skin from the flesh, had a terrible time trying to remove the fat from the skin. It tore into little pieces. In the end, bbq sauce, like biglew said, would have been the best option. I'll try tanning turkey again, but raw turkey skin, not smoked.

What I'm wanting to do would not really fall under the description of being "derritive work", since I was wanting my painting (or carving) to actually look like the original. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work

Your quote is from Wikipedia, Thor? I found it and will paste the link to it here: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright

And though the original artists are long dead, yes, litigation can never-the-less attach itself to the ancient cave images. http://questioncopyright.org/lascaux_descendents_recovering_royalties "Featherstonehaugh added that the families would be seeking additional compensatory damages from the estate of Georgia O'Keeffe, whose paintings of deer skulls and antlers from the American Southwest were "clearly derivative, and were made entirely without permission," in the lawyer's words."

This link is to a site of the actual US law. I have a paralegal degree. http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#106

Here's another good source of information for anyone interested in further researching this copyright question. http://freedomdefined.org/Definition

Cute, cute idea, DoubleC. You took the image down to basics, but retained enough of the gesture to evoke an emotional response in anyone who has seen the primitive paintings. However, what I'm wanting to do would be more specifically identifiable, almost a replica. So for copyright purposes I'm still concerned.

Wikimedia has a Copyright section which describes the legal complexities of using images, even those in the public domain in the US. http://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:FAQ

I had the idea flash through my mind of how pretty it would be to paint a replica of animals from, for example, the ancient 'cave paintings' found around the world, on a big flat leather bag or satchel. But then I thought of selling them (like on Etsy) and realized there would likely be copyright complications. Has anyone else wanted to replicate those ancient works and had any dealings with those who hold legal rights over the images?

MudBugWill, You are so far out of my league,.. how will I ever sell anything on Etsy with you around?

This is such a useful discussion. I'm so glad Shaunread started it. I'll begin creating for myself a small stamp for small items, and a more wordy logo for larger items, possibly incorporating the small stamp within the larger one. Also, that idea of using a rubber stamp with ink, like King's X said, in some applications sounds good. I'm glad you all chipped in with these suggestions.

I found this collection of sites. It includes Etsy. Beyond eBay 50 Niche Sites to Sell Your Stuff Online https://www.networkingphoenix.com/blog/justinmcgill/2010/05/14/beyond-ebay-50-niche-sites-sell-your-stuff-online.28579 JLSleather, http://www.custommade.com/ looks like a good site. I scrolled down to the very bottom of the page and clicked on Maker support. There they answered questions about how their site functions for us. I suggest looking under Tips for Success, and read, at least, Tips for winning more jobs.

GMK, I was researching Etsy just now for 'myself', and came upon this current comment about cheap mass-produced items being sold there and causing many artisans to switch to 'other platforms like Shopify'. In a related story 'Big Cartel' was mentioned. So now I'm off to research Shopify and Big Cartel. http://www.businessinsider.com/longtime-etsy-seller-on-shutting-down-store-2015-5 Other forum members such as Bob Blea, wmartin636, and JLSleather had mentioned this Etsy phenomenon previously in this Thread, so I wanted to bring this 'confirmation' of the problem back here. I haven't tried to sell anything yet, but when I do I'll want my hand carving to be recognized as the real Mccoy. Here's a refreshing video from Big Cartel. https://www.bigcartel.com/

I'm going to make a pattern someday of something everybody will want and do what you did. ☆☆☆

You're having too much fun, Butch.

I like the name, Squirrelly. Just a tad 'long' maybe? Good description though. Pip, yes, we are extended family. My G-g-grandmother, Martha, was a Hardin. Father: Emanuel Clements b: 10 May 1813 in Kentucky Mother: Martha Balch Hardin b: 4 Jan 1817 in Wayne County, Tennessee Their daughter-- my G-grandmother: ID: I564718 Name: Minerva Elizabeth Clements Given Name: Minerva Elizabeth Surname: Clements http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=norvan&id=I564718

I'm posting here so that I can find this Thread again when I need it later. I've been wanting to braid a whip since over a year ago, previous to being hit by a car. And I'd already watched some great videos featuring Australian whip makers using roo. I'm in a wheelchair but hope I'll still be able to at least braid those short whips. (I knew the names of what I'm trying to describe, but the surgeries and pain killers have caused me to loose just a smidgin of things I learned just before the accident.)

Hi Pip, "standing with our principals and suffering for it"...yeah, that sounds pretty typical for me and my Dad's side of the family. Of course, it helps when one is also "right". Otherwise, we just get called plain ole' stubborn, for nothing. I would love to see whatever you've got on our Harding/Hardin geneology connection. Though Hardins are my cousins, not my ancestors, the connection is still strong. The Great-grandmother I mentioned took her younger (outlaw) cousin into their household, where he 'hid out'. Also, in the 1960's, a Hardin, lawyer cousin of my Father's, represented him against bad guys who had caused him harm. Plus, the 'outlaw', John Wesley Hardin, studied law while in prison and received a letter from a Dallas judge welcoming him to the profession after his release. I, too, am the end of my geneological line, being my Father's only child, and childless myself. But we are still alive. And in God's new order reproduction could still be possible.

Thanks for the response. Yeah, I hope they keep going with it and grow the content. Also, I hope they will install more ways to search through the content. I've tried to pin down copyright-free materials on, for example, wiki, but even items that seem on-the-surface to be fair game often have caveats that soon turn into sticky-wickies. Even with my paralegal degree and a curiosity for understanding the law, those rules on what's legal and ethical quickly become confusing and unwieldy. This site gives us images and script that we can use on our creations, then sell them, without getting sued.

Resolene will be a welcome new entry in my list of problem-solvers! [thumbs up]

Pip Harding Leatherworks sounds good to me. No, not too formal. Both 'pip' and 'harding' have some good connotations. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pip pip3 (pɪp) n. 1. a small seed, esp. of a fleshy fruit, as an apple or orange. 2. Informal. someone or something wonderful or amazing. [1590-1600; short for pippin] &&& http://www.selectsurnames.com/harding.html The Old English Harding or Hearding, meaning hardy, brave or strong, has provided the basis for the surnames Harding, Hardin, and Harden. The suffix "ing" typically means "son of" in Old English. Harding is mainly English in origin, Hardin and Harden Irish or Scots. Harding sometimes lost its "g" in its travels through Ireland and America.

I think that my knowledge of leatherworkimg terms is deficient for the task at hand. I did run across this vocabulary list that might have something useful for you. Words for different types of leatherworking. http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/13915/words-for-different-types-of-leatherworking

Hi Pip. I'll surely mull over the clues you've given us and hope it will all come together in a good business name for you. Just need to sleep on it first. In researching the name Harding, I see that it is related to Hardin, one of my family's names. My Great-grandmother's first cousin was an infamous Texas gunslinger, John Wesley Hardin. http://www.selectsurnames.com/harding.html " William Hardin fled Tennessee to escape a murder charge. He ended up in Texas, an early settler there and later a respected judge. However, his nephew, John Wesley Hardin, turned into one of the notorious gunfighters and outlaws of the Old West." http://www.hhhdna.com/

I found beautiful, copyright-free, images on this site. Click 'here' toward the bottom of their page. It will take you to a page where you can see samples and sign up for their free newsletter. Once there, look under Collections, then Images. It's a hodge-podge on this site, and I don't approve personally of everything found there. But I did sign up for their free newsletter. http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/voyaging-into-the-wonderland-of-expired-copyright-artwork I love this Japanese art series that I found on the site. http://publicdomainreview.org/collections/53-stations-of-the-tokaido-as-potted-landscapes-1848/

I found beautiful Asian art by looking under Content, then Images. It's a hodge-podge on this site, and I don't approve personally of everything found there. But I did sign up for their free newsletter offered at the bottom of the page. http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/voyaging-into-the-wonderland-of-expired-copyright-artwork