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HI MIke. Where are you in Illinois? I'm in bloomington and would like to get a group together every once in a while to discuss leather work. I've got a friend near Urbana that wants to make boots. So do I. And yet I started with Belts and Holsters. BTW, I'm not that good at doing them, but I am a good critic, and I slept in a Holiday Inn one night. LOL