Hello Zulu, and thank you for your very helpful and thoughtfull responses to my questions, you are very kind to spend so much time and thought on me. If you do not mind me asking one more question, what do you think would be the best starter project that i would gain the most from, i agree with you that it is best to do something simple well rather than a complex project badly, any ideas would be most welcome. Thank you once again for your kindness, hopefully i will make some new friends on here as well as learning new things.