cylinder machine seat/foot pedals

[shoepatcher]

One of the biggest problem with  cylinder arm machines mounted on tables with cut outs under them is arm clearance.  The pedestal  stand  cures some of those problems but!!    First, I have never liked the metal pedestal  stands that they mount so many machines on.   The castors raise the machine up to high for it to be comfortable when  using the foot pedals.  Second, the pedestal arm is to far back on the stand.  You are leaning over to sew things way more than you should.  The pedestal should be 4" closer to the sewer on the base.  Third, when they mount them, the base of the machine should come right up to the left edge of the table top. Otherwise, you loose arm space for sewing on the arm. 

I mounted my DA669 on an off the arm table myself.  Set it up like I wanted it.  No complaints.  With thing to note:  With the machine mounted on an off the arm table, you may want to get a slide on flat table attachment for those items you will be sewing that need a table around the arm.

[Treesner]

3 hours ago, shoepatcher said:

One of the biggest problem with  cylinder arm machines mounted on tables with cut outs under them is arm clearance.  The pedestal  stand  cures some of those problems but!!    First, I have never liked the metal pedestal  stands that they mount so many machines on.   The castors raise the machine up to high for it to be comfortable when  using the foot pedals.  Second, the pedestal arm is to far back on the stand.  You are leaning over to sew things way more than you should.  The pedestal should be 4" closer to the sewer on the base.  Third, when they mount them, the base of the machine should come right up to the left edge of the table top. Otherwise, you loose arm space for sewing on the arm. 

I mounted my DA669 on an off the arm table myself.  Set it up like I wanted it.  No complaints.  With thing to note:  With the machine mounted on an off the arm table, you may want to get a slide on flat table attachment for those items you will be sewing that need a table around the arm.

glad I'm not the only one annoyed with this setup

can you send some photos I dont know what an off the arm table is

[Treesner]

18 hours ago, dikman said:

I built my own table , a heavily modified "standard" table, and placed the lifter pedal on the left, as you say it feels more natural. But it was a lot of work! You can't just swap pedal positions because you'll need to make up new linkages for the lifter.

Looking at the base of your machine, moving the upright towards the front and shifting the pedal assembly towards the back might make it more comfortable but I'm not sure if it would affect the overall balance of the machine on the base. Moving the head assembly is possible but you'll probably have to extend the belt slot and drill a new hole for the lifter chain, and it probably still won't be close enough for you.

 

 

I think I can actually just switch the throttle bar and get a longer chain to switch pedals

I modded it and the presser foot works at a diagonal like this 

 

[Treesner]

18 hours ago, RockyAussie said:

I found I ran into the same problem with the base and by moving the whole lot forward on the stand leg it worked for me. I have not as yet put in 2 front bolts. The pedal axle on yours is different and may present a problem doing the same thing but moving it forward did help a lot for me.

 

 

hey thanks I didnt think about just moving the entire pole, that would probably be the easiest

however I did measure and I have to sit 14" closer to get where I want, if I move my post all the way to the edge that would get me 8" closer and I'm not sure if having it way over on that edge would be out of balance or not, at least the motor is mounted behind the machine to help counter weight it I guess 

I think I can cut the post on the pedals down to make it narrower and squeeze in more 

only thing is, drilling through this super rethink steel plate is going to be hard with a hand drill I bet!

 

[RockyAussie]

Yeah, I don't think I would like to have the weight that far forward. It would make it a fair bit more shaky I reckon. If you can get rid of the castors would be good. Lower and more stable and less clearance problems.

 

[shoepatcher]

With the castors raising up the machine,  it may be shaky.  Another reason to remove the castors and replace with  short fat bolts.

glenn

Edited June 25, 2022 by shoepatcher

[RockyAussie]

10 hours ago, shoepatcher said:

With the castors raising up the machine,  it may be shaky.  Another reason to remove the castors and replace with  short fat bolts.

glenn

I am not sure with all the different dealers but the Cowboy ones here come with bolts with rubber feet along with the castors. At least that is how they send them to me.

[toxo]

There's a simple answer to this. I use a swivel stool on castors that allow me to raise up for my cylinder arm and lower for my flatbed.

This type has no castors so will slide under the base. Simps.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/125248155123?hash=item1d295f2df3:g:rLUAAOSwL0piT7ML&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA4GwJQk6FGOmIyaCJZTSSwzn6DPcgicTfxlr2vLvoGyWBGeGZEmQeB%2BD7QTRJC3CcM0Gg%2BoQOy9j9DojZLkT2sNqRjArlNMlcLXU4rrEthu24vHYCvQhU4CHyQbhcVCtgIcBu%2B0zv7eAsBqVhgXaQKZkwDhCzDaFqyIWouGYQ6n1r3nW4nQQkBwZQheFuCRuLnhb%2Bu7%2F4%2FxO%2BHPkbD%2BrQOzlpJ0Y3%2BIxwyLpM8%2BuMo2iQwj4S%2BCSuNqAgAXN84KkrBm4ApBUpvXUUCbPGyea05u9mXfRHgQFvbOD8wyrlhHAK|tkp%3ABFBMmuWb-7Ng

[Treesner]

On 6/26/2022 at 5:31 AM, toxo said:

There's a simple answer to this. I use a swivel stool on castors that allow me to raise up for my cylinder arm and lower for my flatbed.

This type has no castors so will slide under the base. Simps.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/125248155123?hash=item1d295f2df3:g:rLUAAOSwL0piT7ML&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA4GwJQk6FGOmIyaCJZTSSwzn6DPcgicTfxlr2vLvoGyWBGeGZEmQeB%2BD7QTRJC3CcM0Gg%2BoQOy9j9DojZLkT2sNqRjArlNMlcLXU4rrEthu24vHYCvQhU4CHyQbhcVCtgIcBu%2B0zv7eAsBqVhgXaQKZkwDhCzDaFqyIWouGYQ6n1r3nW4nQQkBwZQheFuCRuLnhb%2Bu7%2F4%2FxO%2BHPkbD%2BrQOzlpJ0Y3%2BIxwyLpM8%2BuMo2iQwj4S%2BCSuNqAgAXN84KkrBm4ApBUpvXUUCbPGyea05u9mXfRHgQFvbOD8wyrlhHAK|tkp%3ABFBMmuWb-7Ng

oh yeah a stool like that would be closer for sure 

[nylonRigging]

On 6/23/2022 at 12:25 PM, Treesner said:

hey guys I recently got a artisan sewing machine and opted for the pedastol style table as I thought it would take up less space in the shop 

however I'm finding it a little awkward. I can't really get a chair close to it because the legs hit the base..

I was short of thinking about cutting a notch in the base so the chair leg could squeeze in but I noticed that if I sit non the edge of my chair to get closer to the machine then my feet are in an awkward position like the pedal would need to be moved back 

I wonder if I could drill new holes and mount the machine closer to the edge of the table?

the other thing that I dont understand is do you use your left foot as the sewing and right as the presser foot lifters? or do you switch feet? 
ideally it would just have the side leg thing like some of the other machines have but I'm not sure that could be fitted or not. 
could I switch the pedals so left was presser and right was speed? I feel like I need my right to have more control over the speed where left is just up/down so finessee does not matter 

 

 

I understand exact what you saying . I got that exact stand on a machine setup . I windup straddling the left front castor wheel and working both peddles with R-Foot .
The stand is quality, but user friendly/ergonomics is lacking for sure .
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