Can of worms

[chuck123wapati]

1 hour ago, Gosut said:

Eye/hand coordination is a skill and a part of artistic expression, but maybe isn't art in of itself. One could cut a curve or maybe under something freehand, but still not know how to make a visually pleasing carving. The visually pleasing aspect is the art.

I agree somewhat however take a stamped belt for example any average person can with very little experience duplicate any design very closely with very little training or skill.

Now take a belt hand carved and hand tooled I don't have to tell anyone here how hard that would be to duplicate for the average guy with very little training or skill.

That is why stamps were invented they are simply easier. that's why people invent stuff , to make it easier.

And that's why i charge more for a tooled belt than a stamped belt. 

 

[doubleh]

I agree with chuck.. No need for me to elaborate more on the subject.

[chuck123wapati]

4 minutes ago, Frodo said:

I disagree with my brother from another mother

you can not make a flower by simply wracking a stamp. You have to design the flower using various tools

the art of it Is eye hand coordination. you use both of those to keep the stamp lined up and centered

I think carving is just a different avenue than stamping neither are more or less important than the other

lol Ok then simple test, carve and tool that same design you made with stamps on your cig case and let me know which was easier and which took more of your time and which looked better in the end.

your question "Are they artistically equal in skills" ? the answer is no, it takes much more "skill" to learn to carve and tool correctly and artistically than to learn to stamp correctly and artistically.

 

[Gezzer]

8 hours ago, Frodo said:

 

Are they artistically equal in skills ?

 

 

Kind of a loaded question I think . There is no doubt  in my mind that it takes more " skill " to carve . Now for the  " art " part ........ what is art to you , what is art to me ? How long is a piece of rope ? 

[Handstitched]

Can't you be artistic with stamping tools as well?   The stamping took a good few hours to do, and the design is my own  .  The sky really is the limit . 

HS

 

Edited March 8, 2023 by Handstitched

[Doc Reaper]

I’m pretty sure both methods have their advantages. But I’m also pretty certain that a stamp helped some but a razor did most of this work 

[Tugadude]

Seems to me we're talking about different things here and lumping them all together.

Reminds me of the old saying "you can paint a thousand walls, but it doesn't make you an artist".  It makes you very good at painting walls.  That's all.  

Stamping properly does take skill and it begins with the skill of properly casing leather, something a lot of people continue to struggle with.  

Carving and tooling, to me, is light years more difficult than stamping.  Not even close.  Anyone who disagrees, and they're welcome to, just needs to grab a swivel knife and begin to fashion shapes with it.  I think they'll learn pretty quickly that it takes lots of practice just to even hold it properly, so as to not cut too deeply, undercut, etc.  And then you have to learn to make your lines smooth, and that ain't easy.  But again, that's the mechanical aspect of the process.  The artistic, I argue, is a horse of a different color.  

You can be good at carving with a swivel knife and learn to follow patterns and such, but does that qualify you as artistic?  I'm not sure that it does.  

I have a daughter who can look at something and copy it onto a piece of paper.  It is uncanny how she can do it and retain the symmetry and other aspects.  Give her a blank page and ask her to draw something without an example in front of her and she's lost.  She cannot compose it in her mind and transfer it to the paper.  I refer to her as a "copy artist". 

The belt that Handstitched posted is a good example of being artistic with stamps.  What was created was a vision and not something where an existing pattern was replicated.  To me, that's art.  Being able to duplicate or replicate something isn't.  

That's the way I see it.  

Stamping is difficult, more difficult than most probably think.  But carving and tooling is on another level.  And being able to be artistic in either medium is something yet again.

 

[chuck123wapati]

2 minutes ago, Handstitched said:

Can't you be artistic with stamping tools as well?   The stamping took a good few hours to do.  The sky really is the limit . 

HS

 

Of course you can you can also do things that carving cant replicate.

 

[Frodo]

So here are

if stamps were invented to make the task easier and by being easier it lessens the value of that product then apples to apples when using a sewing machine as opposed to hand stitching

It clearly takes more skill to hand stitch than using a machine so in that regard hand stitched items are worth more 

[PastorBob]

All I know is there are some fine examples of both here.  Artists all around.  Love any excuse to see some of your work.  Thanks for asking the question, @Frodo