CFM chuck123wapati Posted October 1, 2023 CFM Report Posted October 1, 2023 4 hours ago, Tastech said: t how much damage could a black jack actually do ? Apart from stunning someone i don't think you could kill someone with it unless you were a blackjack ninja. I am going to do a bit of research and ask some of my police customers what their thoughts are . oh yes you can they are illegal because its very easy to kill some one with one. your whacking the thing that holds their grey matter. a decent roundhouse to the temple area and they are toast. When you get one done try it out on a melon or some such you will be surprised at the power. Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
Doc Reaper Posted October 1, 2023 Report Posted October 1, 2023 Just so all of you are clear, using one in self defense is acceptable if the attacker dies, leave him and play the "catch me - screw me" game Im all for self preservation Quote Doc Reaper
Contributing Member fredk Posted October 1, 2023 Contributing Member Report Posted October 1, 2023 1. in the UK these are known as a 'cosh'. I don't think anyone uses them here anymore, they prefer base-ball bats 2. They may or may not be illegal here. It may be the context in which it is going to be used. I know some farmers have a version for stunning animals before slaughter. They are so unknown that I reckon I could walk down any street in N.I. carrying one and no plod would recognise it and stop me 3. When I did a lot of out-door photography, as did some friends, we used to carry an old cheap but heavy USSR camera in its case. It was useless for photos but more than once a potential thief felt that camera across their skull 4. we do have self-defence laws but it draws the line at killing anyone Only 'reasonable' force may be used 5. In the bad old days of our civil disorder the old police force, the Royal Ulster Constabulary used two versions of a 'sap' on rioters. One was an egg shape on a short piece of spring steel, the other was a short long thin tube shape attached to a wood handle. One for close up and one for long-reach. When the police had to give these up they changed to 'knuckle-duster' gloves Quote Al speling misteaks aer all mi own werk..
CFM chuck123wapati Posted October 1, 2023 CFM Report Posted October 1, 2023 There's an old saying don't put anything in your hand that wont fit up your .... if it gets taken. If you carry it you better learn how to use it. Just so ya all are clear in the US it depends now on who you hit, who you are, and most importantly how good a lawyer you can buy. Justice has nothing to do with it and yes prison sucks. I believe in self defense but I also have seen firsthand decent people in prison for protecting themselves. Back in the day the prison guards would use them but now they have much better ways to deal with bad behavior. Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
kgg Posted October 1, 2023 Report Posted October 1, 2023 5 hours ago, fredk said: 4. we do have self-defence laws but it draws the line at killing anyone Only 'reasonable' force may be used 5. In the bad old days of our civil disorder the old police force, the Royal Ulster Constabulary used two versions of a 'sap' on rioters. One was an egg shape on a short piece of spring steel, the other was a short long thin tube shape attached to a wood handle. One for close up and one for long-reach. When the police had to give these up they changed to 'knuckle-duster' gloves Growing up the guys of the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary who walked a bet use to carry a Billy Knocker as well as a slap. The dirt bags use to make what we called Black Jacks by running 3/8 chain through a 4 inch length of copper pipe that was filled with lead and attaching it to another 4 inch of copper pipe also lead filled to form a "T". The Black Jacks could be used as a slap or held in the palm the same way a roll pennies could be used. I don't know which I would rather be on the receiving end, one good strike and it's lights out. We that said if you are defending oneself I still think it would be better to be judged by twelve then carried by six. kgg Quote Juki DNU - 1541S, Juki DU - 1181N, Singer 29K - 71(1949), Chinese Patcher (Tinkers Delight), Warlock TSC-441, Techsew 2750 Pro, Consew DCS-S4 Skiver
Members chrisash Posted October 1, 2023 Members Report Posted October 1, 2023 Think about it, if your in range to hit someone on the head or body, you are to dam close, a heavy walking stick would be a far better item, nobody states it must be wood Quote Mi omputer is ot ood at speeling , it's not me
Members kiwican Posted October 3, 2023 Members Report Posted October 3, 2023 On 10/1/2023 at 7:15 AM, chuck123wapati said: oh yes you can they are illegal because its very easy to kill some one with one. your whacking the thing that holds their grey matter. a decent roundhouse to the temple area and they are toast. When you get one done try it out on a melon or some such you will be surprised at the power. Very true. But it's not just the impact of the sap. It's the impact of the whatever they hit on the way to the ground...including the ground! Quote
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