Thanksgiving Recovery, Black Dye Rubbing Off Belt

[AlamoJoe2002]

I made a belt from Wicket & Craig chestnut veg-tan 12 ounce hide. After the neatsfoot oil (NFO) coating dried a few weeks I applied black dye. I used “Feibings Black Leather Dye.” The dye bottle doesn’t specify water or alcohol based product. It is not legal for sale in California. I finished the edges and applied a homemade sealer of NFO, bees and carnauba wax.The stuff is stiff as a wax candle poured from a teflon mold the size of an 8 ounce butter stick. I continue to use a t-shirt to remove trace of black dye rubbing off the belt. 

I read a few forum posts about this problem. I have a few choices…keep rubbing for the next century, seal it up with a 50/50 rosolene  product…or murder it with a rag and steel wool full of xylene or toluene to remove anything black.

I need a reasonable solution because the dye mixed with the homemade wax sealer and contaminated everything. Do I remove the wax sealer or seal it up?

Happy Thanksgiving to Everyone Around the World,

Joe

[DieselTech]

I am wondering if you possibly got too much neats foot oil in the belt. Usually 24-48 hours is sufficient for the neatsfoot oil to distribute thru the belt. 

I would wipe it down with a rag & acetone & then let it dry completely. Then check it for dye rub off. 

Others may have a better solution. 

[Dwight]

I never add more than a perfunctory coat of NFO . . . hair sde only . . . just enough to make it look wet as you put it on.  The leather should be VERY close to it's original color within 12 to 16 hours . . . or you put too much on.

Never mix anything other than some alcohol or Feibings reducer with the dye . . .  and mix it 50/50 for best results.

Wax will not seal the dye pigments . . . something like Resolene is necessary . . . even if you rub it till the cows come home . . . perspiration will leach out the pigment from the leather.

Might try Diesel's idea . . . personally I've never ran into such a problem

May God bless,

Dwight

[DieselTech]

14 minutes ago, Dwight said:

I never add more than a perfunctory coat of NFO . . . hair sde only . . . just enough to make it look wet as you put it on.  The leather should be VERY close to it's original color within 12 to 16 hours . . . or you put too much on.

Never mix anything other than some alcohol or Feibings reducer with the dye . . .  and mix it 50/50 for best results.

Wax will not seal the dye pigments . . . something like Resolene is necessary . . . even if you rub it till the cows come home . . . perspiration will leach out the pigment from the leather.

Might try Diesel's idea . . . personally I've never ran into such a problem

May God bless,

Dwight

Do you think it is something about the black dye with rub off?

It seems like it is a re-occurring question asked on here & it always seems to be black.

Or do you think it is more to do with how it was applied? 

[Northmount]

8 hours ago, AlamoJoe2002 said:

I applied black dye. I used “Feibings Black Leather Dye.

If it was USMC black, it takes a lot of buffing to get rid of the 'loose' pigment on the surface. 

Needs to be sealed with a good quality water based or lacquer.  Anything else doesn't provide a real seal.  Oil and wax change consistency with temperature and rub off.

 

[Dwight]

On 11/29/2024 at 7:41 PM, DieselTech said:

Do you think it is something about the black dye with rub off?

It seems like it is a re-occurring question asked on here & it always seems to be black.

Or do you think it is more to do with how it was applied? 

Actually all of the Feibing dyes have a bit of rub off.

Diluting it 50/50 with reducer will give a smoother color in the finished product . . . AND . . . cut the rub off by maybe 75%

I do a dip dye on all my products . . . it is totally immersed at some point in the dye.  Probably get less rub off if done with sheep wool pieces . . . but I just never could get the smooth color that way that I like.

And Northmount is fully correct about USMC black dye . . .  more loose pigment there than you can hardly ever rub off.

Black dye gets the attention because it is too easily detected . . .  but the browns do the same . . .  that's the reason I like resolene so well.  Seals it up . . . permanently.

May God bless,

Dwight

[chuck123wapati]

NFo isn't a coating it is an oil, it is used to add some oil back into the leather as a Liquor or conditioner. Depending on the amount you use you can make your leather products vary in stiffness or flexability. I use very little on holsters for example but use more on leashes and straps so they become softer and more supple. here is a link to the instructions on the application of the dye.  hope this helps.  https://fiebing.com/ufaqs/how-do-i-dye-leather/