off the side or over the top?

[chuck123wapati]

27 minutes ago, kgg said:

I think the treading is incorrect on your machine when I compared yours to this video. That would probably cause the the twisting???

kgg

 

yup its backwards I'll give it another shot 

[chuck123wapati]

1 hour ago, Thadrick said:

I'm not a sewing machine guru by any means but is that braided thread? Is that made for sewing machines? I've never used thread that looks like that in a sewing machine, hand sewing with braided thread twists when I use it though.

its 207  bonded nylon thread but not braided

 

[friquant]

5 hours ago, chuck123wapati said:

This is what it does after about 20 stitches or so. 

I suspect you need a bit of drag on the thread so it won't have enough slack to form the twisted loop. If there is another post, you can wrap around one post, then the other. If not  you might try going through the first post, then around that same post 180 or 360 degrees, then through the other hole in the same post.

[chuck123wapati]

14 hours ago, AlZilla said:

I'm late to the party here but ... "Cross Wound" spools are meant to feed from the top, as you see on industrial machines. That's why newer domestics have angled or horizontal spool pins, so they can use the newer style cross wound spools of thread.

 

See, now that's good info, i didnt know why.

[chuck123wapati]

I really appreciate everyone's comments and help.

 I rethreaded the machine exactly as the book and video said to do useing the riser exactly how the book said to set it up. 

The twisting was still there between that pin and the tension disc, and was so bad that it would throw a twist knot that would pull the thread out of the tensioner discs.  That is the first picture.

 So i put the spool back on the stand and added a felt pad to help it slide a bit better, then threaded it as shown in pic two. It works fine with no twisting now, so I'm going with this setup. It may be a weird thread or something, but the tension is now stable enough to sew. i dont get it at all. Why should this be a problem? The last pics are the stitches done with the off-the-side setup.

Now, to get it to quit skipping stitches. The hook is really too far from the needle, but i cant figure out yet how to get it closer. It works until the loop doesn't get big enough for some reason, about every dozen stitches. If I hold the thread still while the needle moves up, then the loop forms larger and the hook catches it. What's nice is that you can see all of this happening as the front is open. 

[Dwight]

On 3/3/2026 at 6:52 AM, chuck123wapati said:

My question... Does it matter how the thread is taken off the spool? Does one-way cause the thread to twist more than the other? 

I am asking because I know there is a proper way to spool a fishing reel, so line twist doesn't happen. Is it the same with sewing machines, or does it even matter?

Anyway i built this spool stand for my new-to-me Boss after I noticed the line twisted up going through the first whachmajiggy. The machine came with the wire thing above the spool method.

BTW i have to say this machine and all the accessories were given to and shipped to my house by one of our forum members for free. Can you believe that? he messaged me, thinking I was closer than I really was, and offered me the machine if I could pick it up, but when we realized the distance was so far, he shipped it to me. I can't tell you all how much I appreciate it, and at a time when I really need it. Arthritis is giving me the fits, so hand sewing really isn't fun anymore. 

 

Hey Chuck . . . shortly after I got my Boss back in 2000 . . . I saw the "thread" problem you mentioned.  And I don't recall where I saw the solution . . . look at the picture . . . there is a piece of 1/8 inch rod about 12 inches tall . . . bent over at the top (the green part) . . . with a hook on the end.  Add an oval shaped piece of the same stuff . . . about 2 inches long . . . and you have the cure . . . almost.

The second thing is you have to make the loop be almost directly above the spool of thread . . . for it to work right.  When I got done with mine . . . the thread spool was about 6 inches below the red loop.

I've sewn 55 inch cowboy rigs with that rig . . . which is almost 130 inches of continuous sewing . . . and never had one thread problem since I built that.

Again . . . not my design . . . but my interpretation . . . and it worked great.  I made the thread come down from the loop and go straight into the first hole on the whachmagiggy and it worked like a champ.

Have fun . . . may God bless,

Dwight

[AlZilla]

With DwightT's hook setup as above, you could just set the thread spool on the bench behind the machine.  In fact, that's one solution for using cross wound thread on machines with vertical spool pins - set the thread in a coffee cup behind the machine.

[chuck123wapati]

28 minutes ago, Dwight said:

Hey Chuck . . . shortly after I got my Boss back in 2000 . . . I saw the "thread" problem you mentioned.  And I don't recall where I saw the solution . . . look at the picture . . . there is a piece of 1/8 inch rod about 12 inches tall . . . bent over at the top (the green part) . . . with a hook on the end.  Add an oval shaped piece of the same stuff . . . about 2 inches long . . . and you have the cure . . . almost.

The second thing is you have to make the loop be almost directly above the spool of thread . . . for it to work right.  When I got done with mine . . . the thread spool was about 6 inches below the red loop.

I've sewn 55 inch cowboy rigs with that rig . . . which is almost 130 inches of continuous sewing . . . and never had one thread problem since I built that.

Again . . . not my design . . . but my interpretation . . . and it worked great.  I made the thread come down from the loop and go straight into the first hole on the whachmagiggy and it worked like a champ.

Have fun . . . may God bless,

Dwight

 

6 minutes ago, AlZilla said:

With DwightT's hook setup as above, you could just set the thread spool on the bench behind the machine.  In fact, that's one solution for using cross wound thread on machines with vertical spool pins - set the thread in a coffee cup behind the machine.

I just ran an eye hook in the ceiling above it about 3' or better, it didn't twist, but it did break in about twenty stitches. I'm thinking maybe it's the thread I've never bought this brand, i buy my patcher thread from thread exchange i picked this stuff up on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DQ9X8QWM?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1 

 

[kgg]

55 minutes ago, chuck123wapati said:

i buy my patcher thread from thread exchange i picked this stuff up on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DQ9X8QWM?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1 

That thread is from a reseller in Texas and do not list where it actually comes from. If I were too guess probably from China. If so I have never had any luck with thread out of China. My problems main problems with Chinese thread has been:

i) inconsistent winding tension on the spool

ii) broke needles because the spool wasn't one continuous thread as the two ends were tied together and the knot didn't fit through the eye of the needle

iii) fraying

I would suggest you purchase some thread from a reputable supplier or manufacturer before you drive yourself nuts. Your woes could be as simple as poor quality thread. Yes the good thread will be more expensive but eliminated that element from the equation. As a minor note I have found the smaller spools 8 oz to be worst for problems then the 1 lb spools.

Also what size of needle and manufacturer of needles are you using???

kgg

  

Edited 4 hours ago by kgg

[chuck123wapati]

44 minutes ago, kgg said:

That thread is from a reseller in Texas and do not list where it actually comes from. If I were too guess probably from China. If so I have never had any luck with thread out of China. My problems main problems with Chinese thread has been:

i) inconsistent winding tension on the spool

ii) broke needles because the spool wasn't one continuous thread as the two ends were tied together and the knot didn't fit through the eye of the needle

iii) fraying

I would suggest you purchase some thread from a reputable supplier or manufacturer before you drive yourself nuts. Your woes could be as simple as poor quality thread. Yes the good thread will be more expensive but eliminated that element from the equation. As a minor note I have found the smaller spools 8 oz to be worst for problems then the 1 lb spools.

Also what size of needle and manufacturer of needles are you using???

kgg

  

Hanging it above from the ceiling did the trick for the tension,  and it's looking like bad thread indeed.  yeah i already have an order in lol. I'm using GB #200 leather point with 207 thread.