Buying A Cowboy 4500, Is It A Mistake?

[Doc Reaper]

I'm on the verge of buying a Cowboy 4500, is it a mistake or is it money well spent?

I looked around and settled on the Cowboy 4500 because of its 7/8 inch capacity.

Is my decision to purchase this machine a wise one or should I cancel it and get something else?

[Wizcrafts]

I use a CB4500 every day, in my shop. I can't imagine having anything shorter or less powerful. You will really appreciate the long arm if you start sewing long western gunbelts. I did one Monday that was over 5 feet long. I often flip these items around to back tack, so I can see the needle as it approaches the previous hole. It's hard to see this when sewing in reverse. It's an old habit I developed while sewing on Union Lockstitch machines, which don't have reverse.

Earlier in the day I sewed a vinyl motorcycle seat to repair a rip in it. The total package with the inside patch was about 6 ounces. I used #207 thread on top and #138 in the bobbin, with a #23 Schmetz leather point needle.

My machine is routinely used with thread sizes 138 through 277, with needle sizes 23 through 25. Occasionally I sew something huge with #346 thread, using a #26 needle. The thickest item was just under one inch.

Bottom line is you will NOT regret buying a CB4500.

[Tree Reaper]

I have this machine, it's very versatile and dependable.

It will require adjustment as will any other machine,don't freak out when it happens, just ask for help.

I'm very happy with my CB4500.

[Troy I]

I also have a 4500...good machine...as Tree Reaper said you will have to make some adjustments, as with all machines...One small bit of advice--when you get a thread jam or birds nest under your leather--DON'T just rip and pull the thread lose...take your time and free it without excessive force. I learned the hard way...you will knock the machine out of timing...then you will get to learn a lot more about the machine then you may want, this goes for all sewing machines...they are built like tanks, but treat them with respect and you will be happy for years to come...One other thing, keep them oiled...Oil is your friend.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Troy

[Big Sioux Saddlery]

I bought one about a year and a half ago brand new after months of debate and driving hundreds of miles to look at a half wore out used adler. It all depends on what you want to do. I had a bunch of synthetic harness to build, and my other machines are either too slow (old Landis Ones) or hook and awl machines (Union Lock and Landis 16). So I bit the bullet and bought the Cowboy. One factor was definitely cost: the parts may not be the same quality as an Adler and it may not last as long, but I can wear out two Cowboys for the price of one Adler. There are things I like and dislike about the machine. I love the 16" throat. I love the Servo motor. Compared to my older machines, there is a minimum of adjusting needed. I do not like the wide foot. On my old harness machines, I can sew much closer to an edge, with a row of spots to the left of the foot. Yes I have the left and right toe feet, but there is still no comparison in how close I can get with the older machines. I hate the bobbin winder built into the machine. With a separate bobbin winder, if you need a bobbin wound, you just go wind one. Built in, you have to run the machine. If doing precise work, like sewing in old holes when re-lining a saddle skirt, or sewing in a groove, it is impossible to see the needle as it hits the leather due to the design of the center toe of the foot. With my old machines, I can see exactly where the needle hits, when it hits. You do get used to "sewing blind" and get a feel for where the needle is going to hit, but I still like the visibility the older machines give me. I think I can get my old machines to sew tighter than the Cowboy. I highly doubt that with daily use, the Cowboy will still be sewing in a hundred years, but that's the case with anything produced today, whether it's a sewing machine or a pickup. So in summary, I like it for the synthetics mostly because of the feed system, speed, and reverse feature (my first heavy stitcher with reverse) and speed. I love the degree of control I have with it with the Servo motor, but hate it for real picky precise work. It has the capability to sew harness tugs, but you can't channel the backside, and in my opinion, it doesn't pull the stitch tight enough on the back to leave it unprotected. This may leave you with more questions than answers, but feel free to ask away!

[Big Sioux Saddlery]

"I love the degree of control I have with it with the Servo motor, but hate it for real picky precise work."

To clarify, it's not the Servo motor I hate for picky, precise work, it's the machine, or more specifically, the foot.

[BondoBobCustomSaddles]

I wouldn't be without mine!

Bob

[Hockeymender]

Purchased a new CB4500 just a few weeks ago. After having used a 205 I wasn't sure how I would like this machine. After using it on several different applications in my shop, I can say that I like this machine more. I have more control, and with the 16" arm bulky items like arm and chest units, shoulder pads and pants are much easier to work on. I had it set up with the small left toe foot, and that foot arrangement allows me to get into places I could never get into with the 205. All in all, I think this was one of the best machinery purchases I have made. Just my two and a half cents.

[SteelcityK9Cop]

I went back and forth for months about weather to buy a Tipman or spend the extra money on a Cowboy 4500. Lucky for me the forum existed and Wiz was kind enough to let me pick his brain. I decided to spend the extra and get the 4500. I got in contact with Cowboy Bob and he was extremely nice on the phone. I drove all the way out to his shop and he had one all ready to go for me. He took the time to show me the in's and out's of the machine and was a great guy to deal with.

Many months later I needed some new thread and some different needles for my 4500.. I called Bob up and he took care of me and mailed them right out. Bob even took the time to make sure the machine was running well and that I wasn't having any issues with it. Bob also was able to get me a custom made stainless steel presser foot that I inquired about.

Top-notch machine....top-notch service!

[earlthegoat2]

I was asking about machines earlier to sew multiple layers of horse hide which is very tough. Wiz said to buy a 3500 or 4500 Cowboy and be done with it. No pressure or anything Wiz, but I am putting all my eggs in that basket and am saving for the Cowboy 4500. I could buy it now but Im having a car dilemma. Either way it will be in the next few months.

I mainly decided on the 4500 over the 3500, 3200 or 227 because the added capacity for the small margin of price difference was a no brainer. Add to that, the 7/8" height of the 35/4500 over the 1/2" of the 227 was needed for some 3/4" thickness items I make. Not only do I have these horse hide projects that I do but I have also run into a small market of heavy canvas custom car seat covers that I have some commissions on. Luckily they are for a few months in the future so by the time I buy the CB4500 I will be using it for them.

Edited June 25, 2014 by earlthegoat2