Tippman Boss - Why?

[Darren Brosowski]

For the relatively small numbers that are out there I am constantly astounded by how often users are posting problems with the Tippman machines.

On the other hand people are buying machines then adding servo motors and reduction pulleys to get them to run at low speed. To make any speed adjustment you need to lean under the table while the machine is active to press a set of buttons.

If you want reliability, simple speed control and two handed control of the work then buy the machine you need and mount it on an industrial treadle base.

I have watched Jim Beaton run an Adler 205 clone on a Singer treadle going slower than the best servo motor and then flat out. No playing with buttons - just perfect operator control

[SARK9]

>>On the other hand people are buying machines then adding servo motors and reduction pulleys to get them to run at low speed. To make any speed adjustment you need to lean under the table while the machine is active to press a set of buttons.<<

The "servo" motors I use are nothing like that. You CAN select a ramp up delay, a direction of rotation and a max rpm setting from the electronic functions, but the speed control is totally based on pedal position. Its effortless to go from one stitch every 10 seconds to the max SPM you have configured based on the "gas pedal" type design. Mine is advertised at 5000rpm, and I leave the settings at max with "0" delay. The electronic brake is intermittent and stops the rotation instantly, but it does not remain engaged after the motor motion stops, so its easy to manually rotate the handwheel as desired. I do find I like a speed reducer installed to increase the granularity of the pedal control and boost the very low rpm power for an initial stroke into VERY thick/tough material. The treadle I own has something very like a speed reducer in use as well.

However, I must admit that these treadles will be sewing away happily long after any EMP events, and none of my servos would last 100 years even if stored in a climate-controlled time capsule.

-DC

[Chief31794]

For the relatively small numbers that are out there I am constantly astounded by how often users are posting problems with the Tippman machines.

On the other hand people are buying machines then adding servo motors and reduction pulleys to get them to run at low speed. To make any speed adjustment you need to lean under the table while the machine is active to press a set of buttons.

If you want reliability, simple speed control and two handed control of the work then buy the machine you need and mount it on an industrial treadle base.

I have watched Jim Beaton run an Adler 205 clone on a Singer treadle going slower than the best servo motor and then flat out. No playing with buttons - just perfect operator control

I never lean under my table, the servo simply sets the top speed, not the bottom end, my foot control then gives me any speed I want from 0 to what ever max speed I have set the servo to. You would definitely never adjust the servo while the machine was stitching, unless I'm totally missing what you are saying. I can go from 1 stitch per minute to a 100 stitches per minute by pressing the foot control and can hold it at any of the speeds in between without stopping or leaning under the table.

Chief

[Constabulary]

Different servos - different constructions - different functions and how to set them up. I also don´t have to crawl under my table. Pedal is all I need for speed control and I can change the motor settings from where I´m sitting but I don´t have to as everything works fine (except needle positioning but I don´t need it)

[Colt W Knight]

I don't understand why folks buy the Tippman Boss either. Seams like a very clumsy design, and I have read countless reviews on the internet of troubles with the Boss.

Love my Servo motor though. Just set it, and forget it.

[Dwight]

I don't understand why folks buy the Tippman Boss either. Seams like a very clumsy design, and I have read countless reviews on the internet of troubles with the Boss.

Love my Servo motor though. Just set it, and forget it.

Will your machine sew 400 nylon thread through 4 layers of 12 oz veggie tanned leather that was all contact cemented together?

If it won't, . . . then you'll know why I own an Tippmann Boss, . . .

And just FYI, . . . from an engineering standpoint, . . . it IS a very efficient design, . . . but like anything else, . . . it is not for everyone, . . . yourself included.

May God bless,

Dwight

[DoubleC]

Another advantage of the Boss, although I don't have one, is it's portability. A lot of people take them to shows and rodeos because they don't require electricity. I know people that have them and love them and people that hate them. They have a learning curve like anything else and some people don't want to put the time into learning the Boss. Cheryl

[Troy Burch]

I have an adler 205 and a Boss, after learning the Boss's little quirks and how to fix them it's been a nice machine. Great for portability and for repairs when needing to sew back in the same old holes.

[earlthegoat2]

I think the introduction of the CB3200 either did or should have put a pretty nice dent in the Tippmann Boss sales. The Boss has more height which is a real advantage over the 3200 but for a number of belt makers out there who would choose between the two, I would think the 3200 would win often if they would be purchased new.

[bruce johnson]

I bought a Boss when they were $1600 and the next powered machine that sewed close to them was about $4000. Simple to use, will sew whatever you can cram under the foot, and mine was from backj in the iron days. I stepped up to an Adler 205 when I could afford it, but still kept the Boss for heavy work. Swapped up to a Ferdco 2000 later on and that is when I sold the Boss. When Artisan brought out the short arm Juki clone for under $2000 a couple years later, that was the game changer for the hobby and small shop market for everyone.

I've had three servos and two clutch motors on powered machines, I'd never go back to a clutch. Mine adjust the top speed by a dial. I have speed reducers to increase torque and rarely reach up to hand wheel a tight area. Last year I turned a 12 year girl loose on my 1245. I had it dialed down and she sewed her projects straight as a string. Zero learning curve for her with a servo.