Canvas And Leather Weekender Bag

[tossik]

What canvas did you use from http://pacificbluedenims.com? seems like they have denim from cone mill but not canvas? What am I missing? And is it cheaper to go plain canvas and then wax yourself or just buy pre waxed material? What is the minimum purchase of them?

How many Oz is the canvas?

Sorry for all the questions, but I have been researching waxed canvas for a little now, and love to hear other opinions.

Great looking bag!

Edited May 19, 2015 by tossik

[coreysyms]

What canvas did you use from http://pacificbluedenims.com? seems like they have denim from cone mill but not canvas? What am I missing? And is it cheaper to go plain canvas and then wax yourself or just buy pre waxed material? What is the minimum purchase of them?

How many Oz is the canvas?

Sorry for all the questions, but I have been researching waxed canvas for a little now, and love to hear other opinions.

Great looking bag!

Its under 'selvage' here > about half way down http://pacificbluedenims.com/index.php?p=catgp&id=16. Its the cone mills premium selvage natural canvas. email Omid@pacificbluedenims.com, he will take care of you, you have to email to order by the way.

I'm not sure how much more the pre-waxed canvas would be, but I preferred to wax just the outside of the canvas and my machine would "gum" up with other pre-waxed canvas. Took a quarter bar of otter wax for me. Order some swatches of a few different things and see what you like. I dyed and waxed mine, but there are plenty of really cool materials to use.

The canvas I used was 11.50 oz, plenty heavy, like standard denim heavy. Then the wax about doubles the weight. PBD has stuff all the way up to like 30 oz waxed duck or something crazy like that.

There is no minimum purchase, but anything under 100 yards is a 20 cut fee per order. sucks but the cost of their 'by the yard' is MUCH cheaper than other places. they range about 40 to 60% less than from the big NYC fabric houses. I typically order like 10-20 yards of one thing, then 4 or 5 different 2 and 3 yard cuts of other stuff, I make a lot of menswear stuff too. Like I said, get a bunch of swatches and see what you like, typically they carry the good stuff, most from very well known mills.

They also get some really cool one off and sample rolls that you never see anywhere, like this tri-color basketweave nylon canvas, BOSS. The weave is smaller in real life and looks like the old salt and pepper covert canvas from back in the 30's, making a men's briefcase / workbag with that.

I have never worked with a better supplier than these guys, I check their site at least once a week for some neat stuff. Ask as many questions as you like, I love talking shop and that's what we are here on the forum for right?

[tossik]

Thanks for the link, I have reached out to Omid, he has sent me some prices, and hopefully I will be able to get something from them soon.

Saw your blog too, in one post, you showed that you have natural color canvas that you dyed. Do you always dye your own or do you buy different color from pacific blue ?

Also, if you don't mind sharing, what Fiber Reactive Dyes do you use?

[coreysyms]

Thanks for the link, I have reached out to Omid, he has sent me some prices, and hopefully I will be able to get something from them soon.

Saw your blog too, in one post, you showed that you have natural color canvas that you dyed. Do you always dye your own or do you buy different color from pacific blue ?

Also, if you don't mind sharing, what Fiber Reactive Dyes do you use?

I typically do dye canvas myself. This way I can stock just one type of canvas, and I just like to get colors perfect, I tend to like 'warm' colors because leather is natural, and is 'alive' quote unquote so I like red based colors. It just pairs better. Most commercial dyers use sulphur or acid dyes, which tend to run 'cold' in cast IE blueish and it just looks off to me against the reddish tones of leather when I pair the two together, just my opinion. Plus I was an art major so there's that.

I use 2 types of fiber reactive dyes.

1. Is the Procion MX dyes found here > http://www.dharmatrading.com/dyes/dharma-fiber-reactive-procion-dyes.html. Consistent color replication with this stuff if you measure properly. You can mix color powders to get other colors, or just buy their premixed from the color wheel, they have hundreds of colors.

2. And when Im in a pinch or just need a basic "red" or "black" I use Dylon found at pretty much any craft store,

here is a link to Joann's Fabrics > http://www.joann.com/dylon-permanent-fabric-dye-/6608335.html?mkwid=rOeXSNwS%7Cdc&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=&utm_campaign=Shopping+-+Crafts&CS_003=10131488&CS_010=%5BProductId%5D&gclid=Cj0KEQjw4fCqBRDM1ZKhk5jfo6IBEiQAZQ97OHEbyP0OZx15qV0DA6T_I_0rvx3if26corkH7MqMhGwaAgBY8P8HAQ

Dylon is great for small batch in a bucket, or they make a larger washing machine version too, just needs salt, but I add in soda ash and Calsolene oil also found at Dharma just for evenness and saturation. Make sure you get Dylon Permeant. They do make a multi-purpose, but that is a union dye and will not last.

PS, you don't need to buy soda ash online, just go to the grocery store and buy Arm and Hammer Super Washing Soda, same stuff much cheaper. Use it when I just wash clothes too.

And for the love of everything holy, don't use Rit or other union dyes, they will fade and won't come out with the nice saturation you see with the pros.

[tossik]

I typically do dye canvas myself. This way I can stock just one type of canvas, and I just like to get colors perfect, I tend to like 'warm' colors because leather is natural, and is 'alive' quote unquote so I like red based colors. It just pairs better. Most commercial dyers use sulphur or acid dyes, which tend to run 'cold' in cast IE blueish and it just looks off to me against the reddish tones of leather when I pair the two together, just my opinion. Plus I was an art major so there's that.

I use 2 types of fiber reactive dyes.

1. Is the Procion MX dyes found here > http://www.dharmatrading.com/dyes/dharma-fiber-reactive-procion-dyes.html. Consistent color replication with this stuff if you measure properly. You can mix color powders to get other colors, or just buy their premixed from the color wheel, they have hundreds of colors.

2. And when Im in a pinch or just need a basic "red" or "black" I use Dylon found at pretty much any craft store,

here is a link to Joann's Fabrics > http://www.joann.com/dylon-permanent-fabric-dye-/6608335.html?mkwid=rOeXSNwS%7Cdc&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=&utm_campaign=Shopping+-+Crafts&CS_003=10131488&CS_010=%5BProductId%5D&gclid=Cj0KEQjw4fCqBRDM1ZKhk5jfo6IBEiQAZQ97OHEbyP0OZx15qV0DA6T_I_0rvx3if26corkH7MqMhGwaAgBY8P8HAQ

Dylon is great for small batch in a bucket, or they make a larger washing machine version too, just needs salt, but I add in soda ash and Calsolene oil also found at Dharma just for evenness and saturation. Make sure you get Dylon Permeant. They do make a multi-purpose, but that is a union dye and will not last.

PS, you don't need to buy soda ash online, just go to the grocery store and buy Arm and Hammer Super Washing Soda, same stuff much cheaper. Use it when I just wash clothes too.

And for the love of everything holy, don't use Rit or other union dyes, they will fade and won't come out with the nice saturation you see with the pros.

This is great information! Thank you! I am developing some leather and canvas tool rolls right now and you have answered many questions and will save me money!

Now if only I can find Otter Wax ingredients to make my own wax solution. $40 per pound is a bit much..

[coreysyms]

Plenty of online youtube videos for making your own wax, I just finished up a tool roll, will be posting that soon. Good luck!

[RStevenson]

I've never seen such a cool finish on veg tan before it looks fantastic.

[thoughtcrimes]

Looks great. This is something want to get into. Is the canvas just saddle stitched to the leather?

[coreysyms]

@thoughtcrimes yes. The leather is glued and then saddle stitched to the canvas