Anyone besides me offended??

[Dwight]

I think it is about time someone stood up and took a stand against the encroaching trash that is becoming daily fare on here.

First we have to put up with a full page, . . . left to right, . . . assortment of various iterations of skulls that do absolutely nothing to enhance the image of leather working in general or leather working in practice.  It is nothing more than death bed pornography.

Then we open the site up and some trash minded individual thinks it's funny to plaster the "F" bomb word all over.  It gets taken down once, . . . and it is back up again.

Can we get some kind of consensus among the members on here, . . . especially those of us who have been here for a while, . . . who contribute sensibly vs. pornographically, . . . that we do not need, do not want, and are fed up with this trash?

Thank you, . . . may God bless,

Dwight

[bikermutt07]

I have seen skulls on this site, but I haven't really had any run ins with potty mouths. 

I don't mind the skulls. Leather is a big business for motorcyclists and they love skulls. Don't ask me why ( I have a motorcycle and don't care anything about skulls). At the end of the day it is art and art should be respected even when unappreciated.

To each their own on the art topic, but there's no place for potty mouths.

[TomG]

I haven't seen the page(s) you are referring to.  But, IMHO, skulls in the mix of leathercraft are fine with me.  I've done them, but don't "focus" on them at all.

But I agree with biker.  We have an Adult section that questionable "art" and discussion belongs in. And honestly, I feel that you can be "adult" without all the profanity.  What's that saying? Profanity is the sign of a small mind?  Or something like that..

See.  I just wrote 10+ sentences and not a single swear word !!!!  Yea Me.. Bwhahahahahaha.

 

[Dwight]

36 minutes ago, TomG said:

I haven't seen the page(s) you are referring to.  But, IMHO, skulls in the mix of leathercraft are fine with me.  I've done them, but don't "focus" on them at all.

But I agree with biker.  We have an Adult section that questionable "art" and discussion belongs in. And honestly, I feel that you can be "adult" without all the profanity.  What's that saying? Profanity is the sign of a small mind?  Or something like that..

See.  I just wrote 10+ sentences and not a single swear word !!!!  Yea Me.. Bwhahahahahaha.

 

Tom, . . . open the main forum page, . .  upper left hand corner (presently) two black seats, . . . one fully one third profanity.

There's no room for that trash on this site.  Adult section can do what it wants, . . . but on the main forum page that any new person or child might find by accident???

No, . . . I do not think so.  I also believe since it was taken down once before, . . . someone is just showing their asinine behavior by re-posting it again.

May God bless,

Dwight

[TomG]

Yeah.. I'm not a prude by any means, but i don't think that's appropriate for this type of forum.  And especially not on the main page.  If it was a "biker" site, it might be expected, but I think most of the ladies.. and all of the kids.. don't need that.

 

[ramrod]

well, i am a biker, but skulls are not my thing. it is just my opinion, but they seem to be the default biker carving. that being said, i can't see NOT allowing them to be posted. i just chose to not peruse the pages that they are posted on.

now, profanity is quite another thing. i've seen and heard my share of it, and i try hard not to use it. i don't think this forum is the place for it in any form.

[Brahmus]

I am new here but I did notice the seat in question and was surprised to see it on the front page of this site. I don't personally care much about profanity but there are some places that should be off limits/some tact used. Skulls aren't my thing, but I still like to see them posted. They are a different style than what I am working toward, but I can still appreciate and learn from looking at other peoples work regardless of genre.

[bikermutt07]

2 minutes ago, Brahmus said:

I am new here but I did notice the seat in question and was surprised to see it on the front page of this site. I don't personally care much about profanity but there are some places that should be off limits/some tact used. Skulls aren't my thing, but I still like to see them posted. They are a different style than what I am working toward, but I can still appreciate and learn from looking at other peoples work regardless of genre.

I agree. Even though I'm not into them, I'm always looking for improvement in technique. I do like checking them out. I'm not into western carving either, but I like to see the pretty work.

[Ferg]

I believe I posted the first response to this trash. I don't care about skulls, don't use them and never have. I don't necessarily find them oppressive etc. I just don't look at them.

It seems my response was deleted, I have gotten a lot of that over the time I have been on here. I prefer to say what I think and that is that.

I have enjoyed Leabthercrafting if you will, for many years. I will continue to enjoy it, no matter what folks think is desirable or otherwise. I simply stated I didn't think it was appropriate.

Ferg

[Halitech]

I'm with biker on skulls and western carving, not my thing but if I can use them to improve my skills then I don't have an issue. Now, if the image or post is nothing but F bombs, take it to the adult section. Like most of us, I've probably heard and used it more then I should have and still do on occasion but a general board like this should not be promoting its use.

 

The good news it the posts seem to be gone so I'm sure someone else also found them offensive

[MADMAX22]

Well Dwight as a member that has been here a little longer then you and knowing there were skulls here well before either of us showed up I dont see an issue with suddenly making it a offense. Skulls have been a part of art work for thousands of years  and I dont see any reason that should change if it is what the individual wants to either purchase or create. 

Sure actual pornography or "foul" language can be moderated but as far as the other pieces of art work I dont see an issue. 

But thats just my opinion, like everyone else it probably varies from 99% of the population but then again 80% of statistics are made up on the spot to further liberal campaigns or so I heard.

[druid]

8 hours ago, Dwight said:

I think it is about time someone stood up and took a stand against the encroaching trash that is becoming daily fare on here.

First we have to put up with a full page, . . . left to right, . . . assortment of various iterations of skulls that do absolutely nothing to enhance the image of leather working in general or leather working in practice.  It is nothing more than death bed pornography.

Then we open the site up and some trash minded individual thinks it's funny to plaster the "F" bomb word all over.  It gets taken down once, . . . and it is back up again.

Can we get some kind of consensus among the members on here, . . . especially those of us who have been here for a while, . . . who contribute sensibly vs. pornographically, . . . that we do not need, do not want, and are fed up with this trash?

Thank you, . . . may God bless,

Dwight

Dwight, with as much respect as I can possibly project....

Many of the projects here are works of art for paying customers. The customer gets what they want and the artisans post their pride in what they've sculpted, carved or created.

I tend to think ideology of your 'Pastorship' is influencing your commentary. "F" bombs aside [because I agree with you], this site is about sharing artwork and ideas in leather - not [necessarily] religion. I noticed there are quite a few works of a religious nature on this site. Would you be equally passionate if I were to, for example, cite the same complaints about Christian Crosses, Crucifixes, busts of Christ or anything of the like? I think you might have some disagreeing words to say about that.
You know, if you don't like what's on channel 10, you can change your channel. If you don't like a particular art, then don't look at it.

Edited June 28, 2016 by druid

[Studio-N]

I find the skulls refreshing. there is a lot of color and creativity that goes into a lot of them.  Its a great change from holsters and knife sheaths which some people think is the do-all and end-all of leatherworking. (Hint: it's not).

As for the potty mouth - no. Be civil. this ain't the ghetto.

[oltoot]

As for the skulls, to each his own I say but the potty mouth is pointless trash made permanent by the leather tools employed in the place of spray cans.

[Johanna]

We try to keep the main board family-friendly. We have a place for "adult" stuff so that people who don't want to see it don't have to. No one likes potty mouth. If you see it, click the report to a mod button please and we'll take care of it. I am trying to figure out why the pic that was posted to the adult section showed up on the main board so that it doesn't happen again. Thanks for understanding and following our community standards. 

~J

[Art]

Please, please, PLEASE click the report button.  We mods get these reports with LINKS to the offending posts.  PLEASE don't PM a mod about something that offends you or whoever and not give us a link to it.  We try to stay on top of things, but you can't imagine how much reading it takes.

Do not be offended if a mod decides that your report is less offensive and should be left-up.  If we blasted every post that gets reported, you wouldn't have too much to read.  Ducking has little to do with leatherwork unless you have seen works by Al Stohlman or Robb Barr that obviously (or not so obviously) do.  I would appreciate it if everyone would stick to Ducking instead of F---ing if that will satisfy normal sensibilities, but any censorship kind of goes against my grain.  The vernacular has definitely changed over the years, and some of us have seen quite a few of those years, but the First and Second Amendments haven't changed much, and that is in my opinion a good thing.

Artwork is pretty much what it is, expression.  Botticelli was heavily into T and A and pretty sexually suggestive motifs, and Popes were paying for his work.  Should we confine his work to the NSFW forums or just leave it in churches?

We may be able to clean-up the language just a little, but it will be pretty hard to censure any but the most offensive artwork.  Skulls don't really rise to that level.

Art  

[Boriqua]

I am not offended by skulls and have done more than a few. They have been used in art work since the second person started making art. The first person I think did an animal and the third a naked woman.

In many a culture skull imagery is used in celebration of life. However nasty words on a family forum may not be appropriate and perhaps those pieces need to go into the adult forum. I am thinking of one pillion pad in particular.

Now I  am not easily offended and my tastes in art are rather wide. Words are just that and have only the power you give them. I have received a formal art education in NYC and while it doesnt make me the artist many are here it did expose me to a huge variety of styles and work. That particular leather piece with the offensive word I want to see if only to judge the merits of the work. Often times like with that piece I reference the value is derived from the shock value and not the artistic endeavour but I want to see it and be the judge so I wouldn’t want to see that kind of work removed from the forums but I can see where it needs its own cubby and one has been provided.

Inspiration comes from the darndest places.

 

[LumpenDoodle2]

No real problem with skulls, after all, everyone has one of their very own.  

I especially love looking at the old gravestones.   Back in umpteen oatcake, because few people could read, skulls were used symbolically on gravestones to represent our paths through life and death.  

What upsets me is swearing.   Ok, you might want to make a point through your art, but big naughty word, well, it's not exactly subtle is it (and it's so been done before).   But if the customer want it........ 

I understand even less why sweary words are used in posts, some people just don't seem to be able to write a sentence without a profanity.   Just seems like giving yourself more work when typing.

Personally, I do have a preference towards 'clucking bells' if the need arises.

[bootleg leather]

Welcome to the World Wide Web 

[Grey Drakkon]

I'm kind of baffled at skulls being painted as this horrible thing, maybe because I have an art background and like others have pointed out, skulls have been used symbolically through the ages for all sorts of reasons. 

I'm also with Druid, if I was the sort to get offended at everything, I'd be offended by the pushing of people's personal religions.  I'm a big fan of "No religion, no politics" as a discussion topic in forums like these since both tend to turn people into flaming rage monsters.  

As for swearing, rules are rules, and the rules say keep it to the adult section.  Simple enough.  (Um, but now that I think of it, where ARE the rules?  Just took a quick look around and couldn't find them anywhere.)

[Colt W Knight]

On 6/27/2016 at 6:02 PM, Dwight said:

 

First we have to put up with a full page, . . . left to right, . . . assortment of various iterations of skulls that do absolutely nothing to enhance the image of leather working in general or leather working in practice.  It is nothing more than death bed pornography.

 

I can't get on board with this.

I get bored looking at everyone tooling the same floral patterns from books made 50-60 years ago.

Edited June 29, 2016 by Colt W Knight

[Tejas]

The demeanor and moderating on this site seems satisfactory.

[JerseyFirefighter]

I agree with Colt. Skulls may not be your cup of tea but it's not inflammatory. I can agree with limiting or prohibiting profanity save from the adult section given this site can be a catalyst for young children interested in the craft, but what you deem as offensive can be quite normal to the next person. Region depending the definition of adult content varies, but I would suspect that skulls would not be on many illicit image lists. Perhaps for the more questionable posts the mods can implement a NSFW (not safe for work) tag that would limit the imagery until the user understands the content about to be viewed has been deemed inappropriate for most business settings. (Again I dont believe topics such as skulls, devils, dragons, etc are things that should be included in that list), but can be a valuable tool to protect the innocence of those not interested in questionable material. 

[Kulafarmer]

Brother D

while i agree with you on the profanity,

i have to disagree on the skulls, if they are carved on leather then they sorta are along the lines of the sites direction. 

The other part of that whole thing is disallowing certain things might not be a good thing.

sorta a sign of the times, today its skulls here is a little like certain people telling me and the millions like me that "I have no need for standard capacity 30 round mags and an AR platform rifle" 

get the drift,

1A freedom of speech etc

2A,,,, well you know

where does it end if skulls carved in leather on a leather carving and working website are disallowed?

tomorrow its you can only follow the coran vs Christianity

respectfully

 

Edited July 6, 2016 by Kulafarmer

[Boriqua]

On 6/29/2016 at 3:03 PM, Tejas said:

The demeanor and moderating on this site seems satisfactory.

agreed! While I have seen a couple of flair ups this site is by far one of the most friendly and informative with many people anxious to help one another. The moderation and tenor of this forum is awesome and for the most part seems contagious.