Dunluce Report post Posted March 23, 2017 So I tried my first folded edge wallet and I have a couple of questions to help me improve. I skived the edge with a blade and I know I have to practise; it isn't as easy as those videos where people run their blade along the leather like a knife through hot butter! When I look at this they always skive on a surface like glass or polished marble, does this really make a difference? I have just been doing mine on my cutting mat. Also how do you do your corners? I tried to cut them so the two edges aligned at an angle but it hasn't quite worked. Do you overlap them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bikermutt07 Report post Posted March 23, 2017 It looks pretty good. I am no expert on skiving, but I bet the cutting mat is giving you problems. The glass allows the blade to glide across it where a mat will cause the blade to dig in and grab. As far as the angles go just make them on a 45 degree and keep practicing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stetson912 Report post Posted March 24, 2017 Dunluce, check Ian atkinson a videos on YouTube. He has a 15minute video that shows him making a turned edge wallet. It isn't instructional but you can still learn from it. He also has a video on edge turnings and bindings which is a great video too. He uses a "safety" beveler for skiving so that aspect he may not be able to help with. However, Lisa Sorrell has a short snipit on YouTube as well about skiving knives and skiving which may also be beneficial. Cheers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt S Report post Posted March 24, 2017 @Dunluce what blade are you using for your skiving? I tried the safety skiver and several different notes until I found the boring English paring knife to be my most comfortable tool for the job. Gotta be ridiculously sharp and with a flat back, just like a plane iron. As bikermutt says, definitely go for something smooth and hard -- the tip of the knife rides over the work surface so you have a reference point for staying stable. I think @gmace99 has a video on skiving in his YouTube channel UK Saddlery. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyAussie Report post Posted March 24, 2017 Looks pretty good Dunluce. Just warm up your corners a bit then with the side of a slicker press inwards and around. I do that style often. For skiving the corner hold the knife on an angle to skive with the side of blade touching the top of leather lining then put the edge of the blade about the same thickness of the product edge out before skiving.(2mm thick then start 2mm out) The skive should then be about as wide as the outer skin layer is thick.Carfully make sure all bits get glued including the skive. Let me know if you need a video done to show.Regards Brian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gigi Report post Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) You can also try to 'pinch'-glue the corner's 2 sides together and cut at once (using a scissors), like in this picture. I skived the edge with a 'Safety Beveler' from Tandy Edited March 24, 2017 by gigi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dunluce Report post Posted March 24, 2017 41 minutes ago, Matt S said: @Dunluce what blade are you using for your skiving? I tried the safety skiver and several different notes until I found the boring English paring knife to be my most comfortable tool for the job. Gotta be ridiculously sharp and with a flat back, just like a plane iron. As bikermutt says, definitely go for something smooth and hard -- the tip of the knife rides over the work surface so you have a reference point for staying stable. I think @gmace99 has a video on skiving in his YouTube channel UK Saddlery. Matt, I have recently started using similar to a paring knife having tried the safety sliver and similar before. I have found that it is initially harder to get to grips with but with more practise I am finding that it offers you more control. I have went to one of our local Argos stores and bought a marble kitchen board. It isn't thick enough for hammering, or similar, on but it was cheap and hopefully will do for skiving. I will see how I get on. 42 minutes ago, RockyAussie said: Looks pretty good Dunluce. Just warm up your corners a bit then with the side of a slicker press inwards and around. I do that style often. For skiving the corner hold the knife on an angle to skive with the side of blade touching the top of leather lining then put the edge of the blade about the same thickness of the product edge out before skiving.(2mm thick then start 2mm out) The skive should then be about as wide as the outer skin layer is thick.Carfully make sure all bits get glued including the skive. Let me know if you need a video done to show.Regards Brian RockyAussie, Sorry but I am lost in what you are saying. Warm the corners? I don't even know what a slicker press is, is it similar to a hand slicker (burnisher)? If you know any videos that would be much appreciated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyAussie Report post Posted March 24, 2017 7 minutes ago, Dunluce said: Matt, I have recently started using similar to a paring knife having tried the safety sliver and similar before. I have found that it is initially harder to get to grips with but with more practise I am finding that it offers you more control. I have went to one of our local Argos stores and bought a marble kitchen board. It isn't thick enough for hammering, or similar, on but it was cheap and hopefully will do for skiving. I will see how I get on. RockyAussie, Sorry but I am lost in what you are saying. Warm the corners? I don't even know what a slicker press is, is it similar to a hand slicker (burnisher)? If you know any videos that would be much appreciated. Hi again Dunluce, just been checking a couple of videos on the subject and think I might have to do one.They were a bit rough and lacking in the finer details.A sheet of glass with some of that non slip rubber you get from the super market works well enough. As Gigi shows in picture above is one of my sometime favourites but it works best on soft leathers.To trim corners stuck together in that method I first push down firmly with a small pair of sharp scissors or sometimes a sharpened nail puller then press down into shape. What I call a slicker you might call a bone folder. They are good for slicking in lines as well. I make mine out of cow horn or bone normally to suit my hands and whatever the job application is. Normally I would not bother to warm the corners in production but after the glue has set it makes it easier to get it to mould around.Heated carefully with a heat gun or hair dryer will surprise you how much better the leather is to shape up.Sometimes I just use a lighter but on light coloured leather you have to be extra careful.Practice on some leather first to see how far away to hold it and how long. Like I said I think I need to make a video of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmace99 Report post Posted March 24, 2017 You only have to mitre the corner . I think it shows you how about 5. 45 minutes into my video above this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MADMAX22 Report post Posted March 25, 2017 Look up any book binding as thats probably where the above got there info from. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmace99 Report post Posted March 25, 2017 I never got any info from book binding. this is a simple thing that is done when working with leather. I am a professional saddle maker who has also worked in factories making wallets jewellery boxes and bags. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MADMAX22 Report post Posted March 25, 2017 (edited) Hummm which came first the saddle or the book My original statement I was trying to say it originally probably came from that process. Guess I could have worded it a little better. Edited March 25, 2017 by MADMAX22 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmace99 Report post Posted March 25, 2017 (edited) I'm not as old as you max. You will know the answer to that. The mitre in this topic is never used on a saddle Edited March 25, 2017 by gmace99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stetson912 Report post Posted March 25, 2017 Thats a helpful video @gmace99, thanks for sharing. Do you have a YouTube channel? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmace99 Report post Posted March 25, 2017 Yes @Stetson912 I think I have 53 videos on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRSI4IrhtSvYDKuDX6fYgiQ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stetson912 Report post Posted March 25, 2017 12 hours ago, gmace99 said: Yes @Stetson912 I think I have 53 videos on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRSI4IrhtSvYDKuDX6fYgiQ 56 videos is what YouTube says.. you were just being modest! Haha. I've subscribed to your channel. Thanks for the information! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmace99 Report post Posted March 25, 2017 How did I manage 56. I did not think I knew 56 things. I have not done one in awhile. Been busy teaching. If I can think of something to do in another video I will get one done. My nephew has a couple of leather videos also. One is making a bag the other is a couple of neat bracelets. He was asking if he could do another video. I told him he can in 3 weeks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MADMAX22 Report post Posted March 26, 2017 Thats cool your nephew does videos, how old? Itll be nice when my daughter is old enough to make stuff (she is 3.5 yrs now). Right now she knows how to turn on the sewing machines and press the go pedal, dye stuff at random, and put leather conditioner on. Just enough to be dangerous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmace99 Report post Posted March 26, 2017 This is the link to my nephews videos... He does not have a lot of strength in his hands due to his size and disabilities . He is normally in a wheel chair but walks for his videos. and his leather work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JD62 Report post Posted March 26, 2017 Nice job Kieran, keep up the good work! I have subscribed! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stetson912 Report post Posted March 26, 2017 Awesome! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmace99 Report post Posted March 26, 2017 @JD62 Thanks for subscribing to his youtube. This is a big thing for him. He phones me when he gets subscribers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gigi Report post Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) @gmace99 I subscribed to both channels: thanks for sharing! Very nice bag Kieran, well done! Edited March 27, 2017 by gigi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmace99 Report post Posted March 28, 2017 @gigi thank that will make him keen to do more videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
