Thread issues Singer 111

[Work9to5]

Hi guys, looking for a bit of help. I just bought my first industrial sewing machine. A singer 111G156. I got a great deal on her. She operated normally during the inspection. Really beautiful stitches. And in great working condition as far as I could tell. Got her home and oiled and put in a new bobbin (one in her was plastic and wasn't in great shape. I'm having some trouble now that I've changed the string out. The machine won't stitch. From what I can tell the bottom bobbin thread is tangling and won't "loop" so it can be puller up in order to stitch.

I'm using a size 22 needle. And I've tried 138 and 96 thread. Both producing the same issue. 

And ideas on where to start to diagnose this problem would be appreciated. Could the height of the needle be producing this problem? 

Any help is appreciated, thank you

[dikman]

If it worked before then the needle height should be ok. Did you insert the bobbin so that the thread is coming off in the right direction and is threaded correctly? You could try reversing it in the bobbin housing and see if it makes any difference.

[Uwe]

Also make sure you actually pull up the bobbin thread through the feed dog hole. You can't just leave the bobbin thread dangling underneath after changing the bobbin. Hold the top thread and hand-turn one cycle to pick up the bobbin thread and bring  it to the top. The hold both threads for the first few stitches to avoid tangles underneath. 

[Constabulary]

Read the manual - if it still does not work ask again. No offense but the manual should always be the 1st check.

Not for 111G156 in particular but the threading is the same

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8SsIFb6Bqz7bjBSb2Y2cjlMNGs/view

[mikesc]

Read the manual - if it still does not work ask again. No offense but the manual should always be the 1st check.

Not for 111G156 in particular but the threading is the same

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8SsIFb6Bqz7bjBSb2Y2cjlMNGs/view

I've mentioned this before re links to photos or manuals, but it is worth repeating..
Unfortunately reading a manual from that link requires signing up to, or signing into Google..thus giving Google your name, your location/ address, and your phone number..private highly identifying information, they then are able ( and they do ) track who you are and what web pages you look at , and what you have already looked at , what you search, what you have already searched..and their cookies ( used to track you ) last for 35 years..plus they will be tracking your unique IP address and browser footprint etc, via G analytics on all websites that run it ( over 80% of all websites do )..for the next 35 years..or more..Do you really want a private corp to have that information about what you see, where you go etc..

Edited May 18, 2017 by mikesc

[CowboyBob]

[Constabulary]

47 minutes ago, mikesc said:

 

I've mentioned this before re links to photos or manuals, but it is worth repeating..
Unfortunately reading a manual from that link requires signing up to, or signing into Google..thus giving Google your name, your location/ address, and your phone number..private highly identifying information, they then are able ( and they do ) track who you are and what web pages you look at , and what you have already looked at , what you search, what you have already searched..and their cookies ( used to track you ) last for 35 years..plus they will be tracking your unique IP address and browser footprint etc, via G analytics on all websites that run it ( over 80% of all websites do )..for the next 35 years..or more..Do you really want a private corp to have that information about what you see, where you go etc..

I see the manual w/o being logged in / signed up on google - I can download it as a ready PDF. I have no problems...

[mikesc]

That is only because you are already being tracked by google via ll the scripts that you are allowing them to run on your computer..
*to access the link you posted to the manual one has to allow google.com to run over 20 scripts on one's computer..you are obviously allowing them all without realising it, so google is tracking everything you do and see and read, and watch , and search for on the internet..

wiz and I ( like wiz I also have a computer related / IT business..and have a great many websites , which I build myself, and run 5 servers here in France, have 10 computers here in the house, and have been working in IT, self employed or as a consultant, since 1970s, so I do know what I'm talking about here ) had a conversation about google drive here earlier this month, You'll note that wiz confirms what I'm saying about google drive..
http://leatherworker.net/forum/topic/75644-prettiest-singer-111w155-biggest-pain-in-my-butt/#comment-498992

btw..for anyone reading, if the manual that Constabulary linked to on google drive is the same as was mentioned in the previous thread which I link to in this post, wiz linked to a copy of it that is hosted here on leatherworker.net ( where you don't even have to authorise g analytics that run here to be able to download it.. )

here is the link again
 

111W152_W153_W154_W155.pdf

 

btw..I do not make websites for other people anymore, I do not have the time..so please do not ask..( wiz makes websites for other people still I think..so ask wiz ) nor do I tell which are my sites..so please do not ask..strangely a refusal to name ones sites publicly often offends, or makes others question if one has them.

Edited May 18, 2017 by mikesc

[Wizcrafts]

4 hours ago, mikesc said:

btw..I do not make websites for other people anymore, I do not have the time..so please do not ask..( wiz makes websites for other people still I think..so ask wiz ) nor do I tell which are my sites..so please do not ask..strangely a refusal to name ones sites publicly often offends, or makes others question if one has them.

:-)

[Work9to5]

Ok guys thank you for the responses. I actually have the manual. I went through it before trying to operate. Followed the oiling procedure from it. I also did a ton of reasearch before buying it and after from the web (videos) and particularly this site. I believe I have it threaded correctly, when I took off the thread that was on it when I got it I followed to the letter it's path with the new thread. And I double checked via a couple YouTube vids. I have the day off so I'm determined to get to the bottom of this. I will re-thread her again today to double check and attach some pics. 

I am hand turning to get the needle to pick up the bobbin thread. For some reason it's having trouble doing this. I'm having to turn it around 20 times before it will "catch" the bobbin thread. When it does catch. I do pull the bobbin thread through the feed dog and am holding top/bottom threads to the back of machine before trying starting a stitch. When I do get it though an line up to stitch, it will either get tangled on the bobbin right away or runs a couple stitches (like two) and then tangles.  

I did change the needle out from what came with the machine. It came with a leather point needle. I switch it out because I wanted to use some cheap vinyl thread to test and figure out the machine. I have tried going back to a leather needle and matieral to see if this alievitates the issue, it does not. The reason I brought up needle height is I can't really find any info on it. Plus this machines' "needle holder" is slightly different from what I've seen. It's got a hole in it which I can tell if its purpose is to use a thread guide or to help with needle placement. It's hard to tell what I'm talking about without seeing a pic of it, will upload pics within the hour. 

Btw- I don't care who tracks me or sells my info to who as long as along the way I figure everything about this machine and it helps me to be a better leather worker