Leonguaranipy Report post Posted May 7, 2018 Hi! Ive been checking out sewing machines for a couple of weeks now. I have found out that for a variety of work you actually need more than one machine if you intend on working efficiently. I was wondering if its possible to buy a cylinder arm compound feed machine with a flat bed addon to obtain the benefits of both types of machines. I do handtooled wallets and backpacks mainly so cylinder arm would be great for backpacks and the flatbed addon for the wallets. Cobra has some nice flatbed adjustments for their machines but ive been told the Class 4 and 3 are heavy duty and will tear up my leather. I use veg tanned but none of my work is very thick since I skive the edges so no heavy duty required. Thanks for your time reading this your counsel is very much appreciated PD: what happened to all the beatiful classic sewing machines? How come they became so techy and ugly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dikman Report post Posted May 7, 2018 Check Uwe's posts on here, he makes some nice add-on tables. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Techsew Ron Report post Posted May 7, 2018 12 hours ago, Leonguaranipy said: Hi! Ive been checking out sewing machines for a couple of weeks now. I have found out that for a variety of work you actually need more than one machine if you intend on working efficiently. I was wondering if its possible to buy a cylinder arm compound feed machine with a flat bed addon to obtain the benefits of both types of machines. I do handtooled wallets and backpacks mainly so cylinder arm would be great for backpacks and the flatbed addon for the wallets. Cobra has some nice flatbed adjustments for their machines but ive been told the Class 4 and 3 are heavy duty and will tear up my leather. I use veg tanned but none of my work is very thick since I skive the edges so no heavy duty required. Thanks for your time reading this your counsel is very much appreciated PD: what happened to all the beatiful classic sewing machines? How come they became so techy and ugly For sewing backpacks you'll want a light/medium cylinder walking foot machine, you'll find many of them available from the advertisers on here (banners at the top of the page). Many of us sell flatbed attachments for these types of machines in order to convert it to a flatbed machine for wallets and belts. The big heavy duty 441-style machines would be overkill for thinner leather and not the most appropriate machine for your products. Ron Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sheilajeanne Report post Posted May 7, 2018 Leong, just have to say that is one BEAUTIFUL backpack! Lovely detailing, lovely carving and stitching... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leonguaranipy Report post Posted May 7, 2018 7 hours ago, Sheilajeanne said: Leong, just have to say that is one BEAUTIFUL backpack! Lovely detailing, lovely carving and stitching... Thank you Sheila glad you liked it you can check out my other products at instagram @mezzileather 8 hours ago, Techsew Ron said: For sewing backpacks you'll want a light/medium cylinder walking foot machine, you'll find many of them available from the advertisers on here (banners at the top of the page). Many of us sell flatbed attachments for these types of machines in order to convert it to a flatbed machine for wallets and belts. The big heavy duty 441-style machines would be overkill for thinner leather and not the most appropriate machine for your products. Ron Im looking at the Cowboy 227r. Who could I ask about a flatbed attachment? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bullmoosepaddles Report post Posted May 7, 2018 @Leonguaranipy The dealer you purchase the machine from. Or as mentioned above Uwe, have read great reviews on his tables. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrmCa Report post Posted May 8, 2018 On 5/7/2018 at 10:39 AM, Techsew Ron said: For sewing backpacks you'll want a light/medium cylinder walking foot machine The big heavy duty 441-style machines would be overkill for thinner leather and not the most appropriate machine for your products. Ron Precisely. The machine in my signature - Pfaff 335, or Adler 67, or many more of the kind which take needles from size 14 to size 20 and thread up to 138. These will match your stated purpose. I can work with anything from lightest leather for gloves and shirts, to latigo belts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leonguaranipy Report post Posted May 8, 2018 8 hours ago, DrmCa said: Precisely. The machine in my signature - Pfaff 335, or Adler 67, or many more of the kind which take needles from size 14 to size 20 and thread up to 138. These will match your stated purpose. I can work with anything from lightest leather for gloves and shirts, to latigo belts. But the Adler 67 is a flatbed cant do my backpacks with it. Pfaff 335 looks amazing, with a nice flatbed attachment should work. Pfaff doesnt seem like a chinese brand. I was looking at the Cowboy 227r. Would you recommend spending more for a not-chinese machine? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrmCa Report post Posted May 9, 2018 Apologies, there is Adler with the similar model number which is a cylinder arm. 167? 69? I can't remember. Virtually the same as Pfaff, but belt-driven vs. shaft-driven, and with a knee press I believe vs. pedal lift. Yes, I'd recommend a used Pfaff over a new Chinese clone any time of the day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silverd Report post Posted May 11, 2018 Uwe. Honestly the final word for cylinder arm to flat bed converstion. Just bought one of his and wow! Really well designed and made. This guy has it together. The conversion table that came with my 5100 is very rough. Technically it can be installed and used but its fraught with gaps sharp edges and the method of attachment to the table (not the cylinder) makes it time consuming to attach and remove. Quite honestly a joke. Silverd Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bikermutt07 Report post Posted May 11, 2018 As far as I know Uwe has only built tables for the 441 clones, not the smaller machines. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sonydaze Report post Posted May 12, 2018 Uwe makes a very well designed table for the Pfaff 335. I have one from him and it is great. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bikermutt07 Report post Posted May 12, 2018 5 hours ago, Sonydaze said: Uwe makes a very well designed table for the Pfaff 335. I have one from him and it is great. Apologies, I hadn't heard about that one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sonydaze Report post Posted May 12, 2018 1 hour ago, bikermutt07 said: Apologies, I hadn't heard about that one. Please don't feel bad, we all try to comment to the best of our knowledge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites