Juki 1341 questions

[gottaknow]

I love the Juki direct drive motors. Strong, quiet, no belt slot for an operator to drop all their stuff into the motor guard. I bought 30 machines or so with them 4 years ago, no issues. The Brother direct drives are decent as well. We bought some 7300 series that now have a step motor driving the feed dogs. The machine senses a bump in the sewing and the computer adjusts the feed dogs accordingly. It’s a drop feed machine, but sews at least as well as needle feeds. We’ll use them for binding. The Juki 1341’s are nice. I have 3 at the moment. 

Regards, Eric 

[Constabulary]

No doubt they are great machines and I´m sure so are the new Adlers. But most leather workers (I guess) run a small business or are just Hobbyists where cost efficiency is quite important to make a buck or two. And I´m sure most will run their machine until the end of days (even when written off) for several reasons like: they got used to it, just love vintage machines , have in mind never change a running machine, have no or just a few mechanic skills, or have no "Eric" around and probably have to turn in the machines for service (especially with "fancy bells & whistles" issues) - if so where is the next qualified dealer 10mls away or 100 mls or 1000 mls away?. Lots of things to consider. If you run a big business or even a factory it´s for sure a different story.

Even if I had the money I´m sure I would still stick to vintage machines - just because of the certain something and because most are "quite easy" to maintain by your self.

I´m off topic.... BTT 

[brmax]

I agree with you those choices in cylinder arm machines like 1341 or the 26 are great choices. You sure dont want a dozer doing shovel work. Seen that to many times!

Remember they all can be made great and they all had one for their goal. I thought a bit myself about this and particularly like the access ability of the newer machine insides. And so a 1341 at the moment was my luck and available. Other than that there are few and subtle differences in these newer choices.

To be honest there are 1342 model machines and clones also, or I had seen some a couple years ago. These have an additional neat feature. 

But again the majority of your work obviously sounds like 138 thread and under so good choices you all made. 

The local shop is always a respectable choice to start some level of business with. For sure this can be an advantage with ability to sit in front of a machine for your future use.

The easy usage of a machine choice far outweighs the dusty one in the corner. 

In closing I would respectfully say the flat bed machine needs more conversation  in that the nice efficiencies of a machine “these days” are available to canvas and upholstery that you honestly dont use in leather projects, or I should say you may like but cant have all of them. 

 

Good day

Floyd

Edited July 17, 2018 by brmax

[TopHat]

6 hours ago, brmax said:

 

In closing I would respectfully say the flat bed machine needs more conversation  in that the nice efficiencies of a machine “these days” are available to canvas and upholstery that you honestly dont use in leather projects, or I should say you may like but cant have all of them. 

 

Good day

Floyd

I'm not really sure what you mean by this? Can you expand upon this thought?

 

In other news...

That 1342 is about $6700 according to my dealer. Closer to $9k fully decked out

Edited July 18, 2018 by TopHat

[brmax]

Sure, initially I had thought needle positioning. This feature is great especialy in upholstery and the like. Yet this option has limits of capable usage when reducing the speed of a machine much with pulley reduction systems. Particularly the speeds leatherworkers like to use.  

Theres the top shelf 1541N7 that would be a realy realy nice upholstery setup. And as always the Durkopp machines that, uh well just rule. I can only dream

Anyway the 1508N top loader your considering is nice and the NH is even better. These are a bit tougher machine in my opinion relating to their needle and hook arrangement. They are just made to punch holes effeciently ( i dont really have to make an opinion on that, the price should be a tell ) as you well know.  

Tip: Put the extreme smallest motor pulley on with all your servos and try that and have fun!

 

Floyd

[TopHat]

Good points. Do folks tend to put speed reducers on cylinder arms more or is that a thing that's done alot with flat beds as well?

[brmax]

With projects in leather I would think as much as flat bed machines.  In all honesty there are so many leather Pros on the site here that have been doing these task so much more than me, I have to ask them to cover that better. 

I feel it still is the very slow speed that many projects require that pushes one to consider this option.  Theres no doubt more torque and thats a plus in starting, but my servos gave a slight grunt from a stop but marched confidently no problem. Still a bit more torque is a wise motor maintenance thought. 

I would like to try one in the next few weeks on a cylinder arm. 

 

Good day

Floyd

[shoepatcher]

On ‎7‎/‎17‎/‎2018 at 9:25 PM, TopHat said:

I'm not really sure what you mean by this? Can you expand upon this thought?

 

In other news...

That 1342 is about $6700 according to my dealer. Closer to $9k fully decked out

that sounds high for a 1342 without toys.

[Uwe]

That $6,700 price tag is likely referring to the new Juki LS-2342, but a typo crept into the model number. It happens . . . a lot.

Edited July 21, 2018 by Uwe

[Wizcrafts]

On 7/17/2018 at 9:25 PM, TopHat said:

I'm not really sure what you mean by this? Can you expand upon this thought?

 

In other news...

That 1342 is about $6700 according to my dealer. Closer to $9k fully decked out

That sounds right and puts it in competition with the Adler 869 that our advertiser Weaver Leather sells for about $8500.