Moderator Wizcrafts Posted September 21, 2018 Moderator Report Posted September 21, 2018 3 hours ago, plinkercases said: Wax pot i will find eventually if i can just for cometeness Huh? Please 'splain that. Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Members plinkercases Posted September 21, 2018 Author Members Report Posted September 21, 2018 Completeness!!! (Of the machine as made) Always exciting/confusing when i thumb type on my phone without my glasses and when tired with the dyslexia kicking in... usually i write then wait before sending and come back with fresh eyes to proof read but not that time. Quote "Oh my God....I beseech thee grant me the grace to remain in Thy Presence; and to this end do Thou prosper me with Thy assistance, receive all my works, and possess all my affections" Brother Lawrence c.1614-1691 plinkercases.ca
Members Big Sioux Saddlery Posted September 22, 2018 Members Report Posted September 22, 2018 15 hours ago, Matt S said: A couple hours' relaxing with a set of spanners, the girlfriend's toothbrush and a can of brake cleaner sorted out that problem. I sure hope you got her a new toothbrush! Lol 15 hours ago, Matt S said: Beautiful as this piece of late Victorian engineering is, try to resist putting it anywhere the floor may be harmed by oil. Like all British engineering these things are thirsty brutes and have two modes: (1) If it's not leaking oil it's run dry so you'd better top up. (2) if it's leaking oil it has sufficient for now but it's about to run out so you better top up That is my rule of thumb with ALL vintage machinery. If metal rubs against metal, it better be running in oil. Quote
Members Matt S Posted September 22, 2018 Members Report Posted September 22, 2018 17 hours ago, Big Sioux Saddlery said: I sure hope you got her a new toothbrush! Well she just read this over my shoulder so it looks like I'm going to have to! 17 hours ago, Big Sioux Saddlery said: That is my rule of thumb with ALL vintage machinery. If metal rubs against metal, it better be running in oil. I agree, with one slight modification: oil goes on parts that are entirely or partly in contact with its mate most of the time, and parts that are intermittently in contact receive grease. The way I figure it those cams on the back of the #6's wheel won't hold oil except where the roller bearings happen to be at that moment -- needs something thicker to reduce the rate at which it drips out. I use bog standard lithium grease but just about anything ought to work. However where there's frequent or constant contact the oil will (mostly) be held in by surface tension. At least in my little mind. Quote
Members plinkercases Posted September 22, 2018 Author Members Report Posted September 22, 2018 35 minutes ago, Matt S said: Well she just read this over my shoulder so it looks like I'm going to have to! I agree, with one slight modification: oil goes on parts that are entirely or partly in contact with its mate most of the time, and parts that are intermittently in contact receive grease. The way I figure it those cams on the back of the #6's wheel won't hold oil except where the roller bearings happen to be at that moment -- needs something thicker to reduce the rate at which it drips out. I use bog standard lithium grease but just about anything ought to work. However where there's frequent or constant contact the oil will (mostly) be held in by surface tension. At least in my little mind. Makes very good mechanical sense and I will keep this in mind for all my machines. When I bought the 335 it came with a litre of purpose made "sewing machine oil" which I understand has to do with it properties such that it doesn't stain the material. Would Moly Grease work as well as lithium grease? Quote "Oh my God....I beseech thee grant me the grace to remain in Thy Presence; and to this end do Thou prosper me with Thy assistance, receive all my works, and possess all my affections" Brother Lawrence c.1614-1691 plinkercases.ca
Members Matt S Posted September 23, 2018 Members Report Posted September 23, 2018 12 hours ago, plinkercases said: When I bought the 335 it came with a litre of purpose made "sewing machine oil" which I understand has to do with it properties such that it doesn't stain the material. Would Moly Grease work as well as lithium grease? AIUI moly grease is molybdenum disulphide suspended in lithium grease so that should be fine -- 10x better than what was avilable in 18-ninety-whatever when these machines were designed! Purpose-made SM oil is nice and light (makes great honing oil!) and non-detergent so works well in most modernish sewing machines -- especially those with automatic oiling mechanisms. However its thinness, in my non-scientific and humble opinion, is a little too thin to be the best in the old, heavy machines. It'll certainly work but I wonder about its sticktivity in, say, the needle box galleries of a #6. The manual specifies No.3 IVI oil but as to what that is exactly I couldn't say. I think, honestly, just about anything non-drying and not too thick will work in a #6. Quote
Members Constabulary Posted September 23, 2018 Members Report Posted September 23, 2018 I also think the #6 loves a bit heavier oil / lubricant. I use clear synthetic chain spray on the cams and rollers and motor oil on the rest of the machine. I do not use standard sewing machine oil on the #6. When I restored my machine and did the 1st test it even ran smooth w/o any lubrication. Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members plinkercases Posted September 23, 2018 Author Members Report Posted September 23, 2018 Is there a trade name for synthetic chain spray? What viscosity motor oil 20W 10W etc? And finally... my singer manual calls for "singer gear grease" in the gear box. Is it a current specific OEM product or is there an equivelent as we have discussed above? Quote "Oh my God....I beseech thee grant me the grace to remain in Thy Presence; and to this end do Thou prosper me with Thy assistance, receive all my works, and possess all my affections" Brother Lawrence c.1614-1691 plinkercases.ca
Members Big Sioux Saddlery Posted September 23, 2018 Members Report Posted September 23, 2018 A long time ago, a guy that works on these vintage heavy stitchers told me to use 30w oil and mix a little STP in with it, and oil anything that moves. I agree that these old machines need a heavier oil, and that mixture has served me well. it quiets them right down, and they run smooth. Quote
Members plinkercases Posted September 24, 2018 Author Members Report Posted September 24, 2018 Do you use the STP additive called "Oil Treatment" or the " 4-cylinder Oil Treatment"? Thank for all the help fellas, Murray Quote "Oh my God....I beseech thee grant me the grace to remain in Thy Presence; and to this end do Thou prosper me with Thy assistance, receive all my works, and possess all my affections" Brother Lawrence c.1614-1691 plinkercases.ca
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