Members afdfirefighter Posted December 14, 2018 Members Report Posted December 14, 2018 Good morning. I am about to purchase a sewing machine to start up my leather business. I had originally planned to start cheap (Janome 3200hd) but have since decided if I want to start with a good product I need to sew with one. I will be doing single layer 10oz leather straps for fire department radio straps, chin straps, etc. I am hoping to get opinions on one of these two machines. My Mom has been sewing for years (has very expensive quilting machines) and she thinks the Juki will be more user friendly for me due to the flat top vs the rounded on the Cowboy. Both are walking foot with variable speed servo motors. Can anyone give me some positives and negatives of each and help move me in a direction? Thank you in advance. Quote
Members shoepatcher Posted December 14, 2018 Members Report Posted December 14, 2018 The one thing you forgot to mention is what weight of thread you be sewing with. That has a baring on which machine to get. glenn Quote
kgg Posted December 14, 2018 Report Posted December 14, 2018 I do own a Juki 1541S and it can use up to v138 thread where as the CB3200 has a better range of usable threads sizes v69 to V346. Yes the Juki maybe more user friendly but with a flat table top attachment on the Cowboy 3200 you would get the best of both worlds. I would suggest taking / sending a sample of what you are planning to sew to a dealer and ask for suggestions. If you do go with the Juki get the 1541S not the 1541 and yes you are going to pay extra for the safety feature. The "S" stands for safety clutch and will disengage the hook when to much load is put on the hook drive so you won't damage something or the timing. kgg Quote Juki DNU - 1541S, Juki DU - 1181N, Singer 29K - 71(1949), Chinese Patcher (Tinkers Delight), Warlock TSC-441, Techsew 2750 Pro, Consew DCS-S4 Skiver
Members jimi Posted December 14, 2018 Members Report Posted December 14, 2018 If you add a small table to the cylinder arm, then you basically turn it into a flatbed, but you can not turn the flat bed into a cylinder arm. Quote
Members afdfirefighter Posted December 14, 2018 Author Members Report Posted December 14, 2018 2 hours ago, shoepatcher said: The one thing you forgot to mention is what weight of thread you be sewing with. That has a baring on which machine to get. glenn This is essentially a decorative stitch but I want it to withstand wear and tear. I am not sure what size I will use yet to be completely honest with you. Quote
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted December 14, 2018 Moderator Report Posted December 14, 2018 2 hours ago, afdfirefighter said: This is essentially a decorative stitch but I want it to withstand wear and tear. I am not sure what size I will use yet to be completely honest with you. If you use #138 thread, it has 22 pounds breaking strength and the knots are easily hidden inside 8-10 ounce leather straps. Having #207 on top may make it a little more critical when tensioning the threads to bury the knots and won't add to the strength. Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Members afdfirefighter Posted December 14, 2018 Author Members Report Posted December 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, Wizcrafts said: If you use #138 thread, it has 22 pounds breaking strength and the knots are easily hidden inside 8-10 ounce leather straps. Having #207 on top may make it a little more critical when tensioning the threads to bury the knots and won't add to the strength. Is the Juki 1541 capable of using #138 and #207 or is the Cowboy the direction I need to be considering? Quote
kgg Posted December 14, 2018 Report Posted December 14, 2018 The Juki will max out with #138 so if you want to go higher the Cowboy 3200 should be the one to considered. kgg Quote Juki DNU - 1541S, Juki DU - 1181N, Singer 29K - 71(1949), Chinese Patcher (Tinkers Delight), Warlock TSC-441, Techsew 2750 Pro, Consew DCS-S4 Skiver
Members dikman Posted December 14, 2018 Members Report Posted December 14, 2018 Perhaps something to consider - you may intend to make smallish straps (for now) but with the 3200 you will have the option of making heavier gear if the opportunity arises. For leatherwork a cylinder arm is generally considered to be the most versatile design and as has been mentioned a small tabletop can be fitted if needed. Quote Machines wot I have - Singer 51W59; Singer 331K4; Seiko STH-8BLD; Pfaff 335; CB4500. Chinese shoe patcher; Singer 201K (old hand crank)
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted December 14, 2018 Moderator Report Posted December 14, 2018 3 hours ago, afdfirefighter said: Is the Juki 1541 capable of using #138 and #207 or is the Cowboy the direction I need to be considering? You should be looking into the Juki LU-1508NH, which does sew with #207 thread, on top and in the bobbin. Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
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