Members dikman Posted March 4, 2019 Members Report Posted March 4, 2019 A difficult decision. As long as it's working then it could be an interesting restoration/cleanup job for only $300. You can buy a cheaper servo to replace the motor, you don't have to necessarily buy the best. If you don't want to start accumulating machines () and only want to get maybe one more then it would be better to pass and work out exactly what you want and look for that. Quote Machines wot I have - Singer 51W59; Singer 331K4; Seiko STH-8BLD; Pfaff 335; CB4500. Chinese shoe patcher; Singer 201K (old hand crank)
Members brmax Posted March 4, 2019 Members Report Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) I understand some of that, let me put somethin in the mix. Its totaly up to you though, I am not sure what you use in hand sewing. But in the machine side, a standard around here is thread size for holsters needs to be a certain size. This is also reference in a “security size” for these, a thread strength. This particular size is typically I think in the 277 and 346 sizes. There is several “ sticky” post above in this forums area specifically discussing leather machines in detail what you need! So with that thread ability you would need a big Juki 441 or clone, or the big Adler or its clone machines with these thread capabilities. With these bigdogs out! all others stay on the porch. That's funny I don't care what anybody says. All that aside this machine in photo is a serious money maker for ya, and in no way will the 15-91 compare in this ones duty. In my opinion, as always opinions are like shoes everybody has some. Later, and have a good day Floyd Edited March 4, 2019 by brmax Quote
Members dikman Posted March 4, 2019 Members Report Posted March 4, 2019 Ok, I missed the bit about the 15-91. No comparison, of course, this one is a proper industrial machine. The service manual is readily available, as are spare feet. As long as you don't want to sew holsters (!) this should be a useful machine - assuming it works ok then $300 is a great price imo. A lot of that rust will probably rub of with a bit of care. Quote Machines wot I have - Singer 51W59; Singer 331K4; Seiko STH-8BLD; Pfaff 335; CB4500. Chinese shoe patcher; Singer 201K (old hand crank)
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted March 4, 2019 Moderator Report Posted March 4, 2019 Not all sewing machines lend themselves to pulley upgrades on the output shaft. Some models have the stitch length adjustment built into the handwheel. These cannot be replaced with a bigger wheel. Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Members Constabulary Posted March 4, 2019 Members Report Posted March 4, 2019 Agree with the hand wheel the 211 is not a candidate for a larger hand wheel. However - you do not find many walking foot sewing machines of this class for just $300. Even when you have to invest in a new servo motor and a speed reducer (you can also DIY a speed reducer) its still worth the money. If you do car upholstery and sew belts, guitar straps, wallets and stuff that is not thicker than approx 8-9mm with thread no thicker tan 138 then this is a good machine when properly set up. I have the 111G156 predecessor of the 212G156 and 212G141 2 needle / needle feed version of "your" machine. I cannot complain. But the decision is finally yours. Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members dikman Posted March 4, 2019 Members Report Posted March 4, 2019 Wiz and Constabulary are right about the handwheel, but not for the reason Wiz mentioned. The handwheel casting on my 211 has a "protrusion" that actually slides inside the main body casting and acts as a bushing around the main shaft. Without this the main shaft can flop around a bit! Not a good thing. I had to make a reducer for mine as I couldn't use a larger pulley. Quote Machines wot I have - Singer 51W59; Singer 331K4; Seiko STH-8BLD; Pfaff 335; CB4500. Chinese shoe patcher; Singer 201K (old hand crank)
Members tardis86 Posted March 4, 2019 Author Members Report Posted March 4, 2019 If I get this machine, hopefully some of you will be willing to help me out with upgrading it, as I have absolutely no idea about these sort of things. Though I am confident I'm capable of actually doing the upgrades. Quote
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted March 4, 2019 Moderator Report Posted March 4, 2019 3 hours ago, tardis86 said: If I get this machine, hopefully some of you will be willing to help me out with upgrading it, as I have absolutely no idea about these sort of things. Though I am confident I'm capable of actually doing the upgrades. Your first and simplest upgrade should be to buy a Family Sew type of servo motor with a 2" (50mm) pulley downgrade (it comes with a 70mm pulley). Our supporting dealers have these specialty pulleys in stock. You will also need a shorter type 3L v-belt to go from the new motor and smaller pulley to the machine. If all goes well you should be able to at least control the speed of the machine. Low speed torque may suffer until you add a speed reducer. Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Members tardis86 Posted March 5, 2019 Author Members Report Posted March 5, 2019 http://s1152.photobucket.com/user/Justawfulgamer/library/?view=recent i ended up buying it. here are some pics of it. on a side note, getting pics on this site is a pain in the ass,lol Quote
Members brmax Posted March 6, 2019 Members Report Posted March 6, 2019 a Big congratulations to ya! it really looks cared and cleaned up as its tilted back. Its a good tuesday Floyd Quote
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