Use of Fur Banned

[Tugadude]

15 hours ago, BridleButt said:

I made a nice elephant wallet some years ago that I still use. On a business trip to San Diego, a Starbucks server refused to hand my coffee over when I pulled out my wallet to pay. It’s like a banana republic in Cally. 

Wow, that's a new one on me.  I'm not surprised I guess, but I've never owned anything made out of elephant.  Is it that obvious?  Would the reaction been the same if the wallet was alligator?

[Sheilajeanne]

Tugadue, I wouldn't think a PETA supporter would be able to tell the difference between real alligator hide, and the fake embossed stuff! 

But I can understand the reaction to elephant hide.The slaughter of these beautiful highly intelligent animals just for their tusks makes me very, very angry! The calves often die as well, if mom is killed. 

There are several sanctuaries that will take these orphans, raise them, and eventually re-integrate them to the wild. An orphan will often recognize its main caregiver immediately many years after it's a full grown adult. https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliekliegman/an-elephant-found-the-man-who-saved-him-26-years-ago-and-the

Edited October 29, 2019 by Sheilajeanne

[Professor]

On 10/13/2019 at 7:36 AM, chrisash said:

Morally is wrong to trap just for fur as the main goal, and morally its right to kill for food as the main purpose

The real question is how you draw the line between the two things, if the main aim is food then most would agree its fine, if you make your living selling the fur then its questionable

Unfortunately there is no clear answer

Reminds me of a skit on Saturday night Live many years ago, when they were still funny.

They had an Infomercial introducing the Chinchilla - Matic.

To avoid the mess of skinning Chinchilla you placed the little fellow in the top, closed the lid and turned it on.

The machine made a grinding noise and a roller ejected the perfectly done skin in one piece. to avoid wastage a spout on the side ejected a lump of ground Chinchilla-burger.

There is a Invasive rodent in California that has in recent years been hunted for its hide, which is very much like beaver pelt. I forget the name but I remember it has bright orange or red teeth.

[chuck123wapati]

4 hours ago, chrisash said:

I would guess they are made from asian Elephants who have died of old age, my reasoning is the far east has tanners and lots of working Elephants whilst in Africa most are slaughtered for their tusks and left to rot where they die

Yup by poachers not ethical hunters, its really to bad they cant enforce good hunting laws and ethical behavior as we have in the U.S. I do know the native peoples used them as a food source historically and most hunters donate the meat to locals.  Here is an awesome picture I took last week while hunting Elk, these Moose were reintroduced close to our area about 20 year ago and have been doing great, all the hunters were taking pictures of them as they haven't been on this side of the mountain before. All due to sportsmen and hunters and good ethical game laws put in place by professional animal biologists. 

Edited October 29, 2019 by chuck123wapati
added pic

[chuck123wapati]

On 10/13/2019 at 5:36 AM, chrisash said:

Morally is wrong to trap just for fur as the main goal, and morally its right to kill for food as the main purpose

The real question is how you draw the line between the two things, if the main aim is food then most would agree its fine, if you make your living selling the fur then its questionable

Unfortunately there is no clear answer

People have been trapping as long as they have been hunting why would it be considered morally wrong? 

[toxo]

6 hours ago, Sheilajeanne said:

Tugadue, I wouldn't think a PETA supporter would be able to tell the difference between real alligator hide, and the fake embossed stuff! 

But I can understand the reaction to elephant hide.The slaughter of these beautiful highly intelligent animals just for their tusks makes me very, very angry! The calves often die as well, if mom is killed. 

There are several sanctuaries that will take these orphans, raise them, and eventually re-integrate them to the wild. An orphan will often recognize its main caregiver immediately many years after it's a full grown adult. https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliekliegman/an-elephant-found-the-man-who-saved-him-26-years-ago-and-the

If you like that kind of story Shielajeanne. on BBC iplayer last week about a herd of elephant that was saved and looked after by a guy who died years later and on the day he died the herd trecked twelve miles and stood in his garden silently for two days AND they come back to the house every year on the anniversary of his death.

It was episode 1 of a program called "Animals In Love"

[Sheilajeanne]

5 hours ago, Professor said:

 

There is a Invasive rodent in California that has in recent years been hunted for its hide, which is very much like beaver pelt. I forget the name but I remember it has bright orange or red teeth.

Nutria, maybe? 

[fredk]

I'll tack this news story on here.

I just hope its not going to set a new trend and we'll need to wear kevlar vests in the near future

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50519899

[Hardrada]

Sad, but what else can be expected when environmentalism has driven many to the point of psychosis?

[Bert51]

Looks like I will need to put a Kevlar lining in my Leather vest now..............

Bert.