What's a necessary journey?

[dikman]

10 hours ago, toxo said:

Turns out the SIL wants to give his Vito a run and I'll take a sack truck so shouldn't be any problems. Since she's getting rid of her machine, she's got some leather and tools I might be interested in.  

I had to look up a Vito, the van should make it easy but still take the head off, it's never a good idea to transport a sewing machine with the head on the table. When someone's getting out of the game there's always a possibility of picking up some nice "extras".

I think Wiz meant getting someone (a piano mover) to move it upstairs for you? If SIL is giving you a hand, however, you shouldn't have any problems - get him to carry it upstairs!

[Wizcrafts]

1 hour ago, dikman said:

I think Wiz meant getting someone (a piano mover) to move it upstairs for you? If SIL is giving you a hand, however, you shouldn't have any problems - get him to carry it upstairs!

That is correct! Piano movers have the equipment to safely move delicate equipment up and down stairs and even through windows.

[toxo]

Update! Machine is now upstairs. Had to cart three wardrobes downstairs AND not only give them to a needy person but delivered them as well. Sitting here now with eyes getting heavy and hoping all is gonna be well. The reason I say that is a couple of things that just didn't gel. Only one zipper foot, no thread. She said she couldnt find any tools the "leather was just big enough to not be called scraps. And I don't know the number on the side of the machine. 069-72E42 Serial? #069990003 Looking at the front of the cylinder it looks like it might have been a binder? Please tell me I haven't bought a lemon for £500. Pics to follow.

 

[dikman]

I found a manual for that number you quoted but it's in German and so is unintelligible to me! It sort of looks like it's equivalent to a Pfaff 335 to me and can indeed be fitted with a binding attachment.

[toxo]

10 minutes ago, dikman said:

I found a manual for that number you quoted but it's in German and so is unintelligible to me! It sort of looks like it's equivalent to a Pfaff 335 to me and can indeed be fitted with a binding attachment.

I'm hoping Constabulary comes up with something. He usually does. I'm happier now I've had a little play with it. It does seem to have a back and forth feed rather than oscillating but it lays down a nice stitch and is in line forward and back. must get the motor slowed down though.

[shoepatcher]

Main difference between 372 and 373 is the hole in the feed dog and throat plate.  373 will use heavier thread.  Just enlarge the needle holes in these two items.  I think the biggest thread it can use is #92 nylon.  It  has been a while since i had and worked on one.  great machine.  I seem to recall having trouble with running #138 in the needle thread.  Still use #92 in bobbin.

glenn

[shoepatcher]

You have a 69-72.   that machine is a walking foot machine but without 4 motion drop feed, rather skip feed.  That means feed dog moves backwards,  forwards but does not drop down.  Used for binding machines.  The E42 are the feet that was on the machine originally.  This machine uses the same feet as a 67, 167, 267, 68, 168. 268, 269, 169.  Generic feet are made and fairly cheap.  Still a good machine.

glenn

 

 

Edited April 25, 2020 by shoepatcher

[Constabulary]

The small diameter cylinder arm machines (the ones with a cap / cover on the tip) that I know of ALL DO NOT not have 4 motion drop feed they ALL have feed dogs that go back and forth only. If you want a 4 motion drop feed cylinder arm machine an Adler 169, Pfaff 345, Consew 227R, Seiko CW-8, Juki 341 /1341 or similar is what you need. But they have a a larger diameter cylinder. But even on the Pfaff 345 and Adler 169 (maybe others too) there could be subclasses with no 4 motion feed - you never know... best advise always is to test the machine before buying. But I honestly think it does not make a huge difference if you have a 4 motion feed dog or not. My opinion.

Toxo - I thought you wanted to buy the 69-372 on ebay you sent me a link of. You did not?

Adler 69 and Pfaff 335 can be tricky - there are a lot of different subclasses and they were used for a lot of different application and not only for leather work. If you cannot test them or have a list of subclasses you could easily end with something you do not want. Keep in mid even when the tag says f.i. 69-373 it s always possible that the machine has been modified for different applications (f.i. for binding)...

[toxo]

4 hours ago, Constabulary said:

Toxo - I thought you wanted to buy the 69-372 on ebay you sent me a link of. You did not?

Me too folker! Clearly misrepresented but as it turns out it's ok. How much difference it makes to the price I don't know but it grips and moves the leather nicely and stitches well so i'm happy. I'll need to slow the motor down considerably  (I still have "L" plates up don't forget.). First is the controller. Does anyone have the instructions for this motor? I can't get it below 16 at the moment. Once I get that figured out I'll change the motor pulley I don't know how feasible it is to change the handwheel for a bigger pulley the way I've done my Durkopp 239 which is a joy to use speedwise. There's only one set of feet which look a bit odd to me, (zipper foot/binder foot?)

[dikman]

The feet look a bit like my Pfaff binder feet. On the controller box the bottom button looks like it has a turtle and a hare on it (?) which would suggest speed control. My guess for the others would be P to access various parameters and +/- to change the values? It'll probably be trial-and-error to find out what the settings do. If you start messing with it write down any values before changing them because some will refer to the NPS it's got fitted.

Overall it doesn't look too bad, decent table and servo.

[toxo]

20 minutes ago, dikman said:

The feet look a bit like my Pfaff binder feet. On the controller box the bottom button looks like it has a turtle and a hare on it (?) which would suggest speed control. My guess for the others would be P to access various parameters and +/- to change the values? It'll probably be trial-and-error to find out what the settings do. If you start messing with it write down any values before changing them because some will refer to the NPS it's got fitted.

Overall it doesn't look too bad, decent table and servo.

Thanks dikman. I've never seen a center foot with with just half a hole,  A dealer on the other side of London is selling an almost identical 372  for £2000 so I figure I haven't been ripped off. I struggled a bit until I cut down on the bobbin thread. Now there's no clunking and the work pulls away freely.  I'd be grateful for that manual, even in German it's better than nothing even if it just shows nthe oil holes. mine has no red anywhere.

I found a YouTube vid of the servo under the name of Jegon.  It's in Russian or something but I worked out that the top button shows F1 or F2 but if you press and hold it's d1 or d2 which it turns out is for direction foreward or reverse,. Don't know what F1/F2 is about.  Then we have P1/2 or 3 which is a program I know but for what? The speed at the bottom goes up to 41 but starts at 16 which is the problem. Maybe there's a sequence that changes it but I haven't found it.

[dikman]

I found this, which might help - www.manualslib.com/manual/461569/Duerkopp-Adler-69.html#manual

but I can't find the German one again. I think it downloaded on my other computer so I'll have a look later.

[toxo]

5 hours ago, dikman said:

I found this, which might help - www.manualslib.com/manual/461569/Duerkopp-Adler-69.html#manual

but I can't find the German one again. I think it downloaded on my other computer so I'll have a look later.

Thanks mate. That's all I need for now. Don't bother with the other one.

[toxo]

Fixed it! Tamed it!  For once a project went right. Found a 40mm pulley with the same  straight bore and keyway  as the motor on the 69. The profile was slightly different though and I had to chop a bit off the original to make it work. Went straight on after lengthening it and there was even enough adjustment to tighten up the belt. Now can do one stitch at a time.

[dikman]

Don't you just love it when a plan comes together?

[toxo]

2 minutes ago, dikman said:

Don't you just love it when a plan comes together?

Really pleased. Slowing it down was a must. Now I can't get the needle thread path right for the life of me. It's that last bit before the check spring. It just makes no sense to me. The stupid diagrams are useless, the way they show it could be either direction. C'mon guys. Draw a little  diagram for the thicko .

[dikman]

Easiest way is to post a good closeup of your thread path and someone will be able to tell you if it's right. Thicko?

[toxo]

I already know it's not right because the thread jumps out of the little hook.

[toxo]

Figured it out!

Now another problem. Since playing with various bobbins/threads/needles/stitch length It seems to just deposit a stitch in every OTHER hole but behaves itself better in reverse.