jimi Report post Posted April 25, 2020 This one is for all you Singer freaks that have a spare €1000 and who live in France or near by. You do not see many of these on sale as many Leather/Fabric shops or larger factory´s from way back are long gone and closed. This seems to have survived intact with main shaft and clutches! I have to admit if i had the space or a shop that would be in it!!!! Drool on..... And here are a couple of older machines...... This set up looks like it was for pamphlet sewing, it needs a couple of parts by the looks of it?? no more detailed pictures i am afraid, but it looks like a Singer 45k50.(flat bed version of the 45k52) So that means it could be very old but looks like it is in excellent condition by looking at all of the original decals still intact.It has the driving attachment on it. Parts must be pretty rare for this one....Once again...in France. And here is one more from here in Spain... Not very common at all the 45k33 was obsolete possibly around the very early 1900´s (1905-7??) superseeded by the 45k58, as was the cylinder bed version, the 45k31 obsolete and superseeded by the 45k56, Looks like the Adler 104 (105 being the 45k31) or should i say the 104 looks like the 45k33? well Adler seems to have started with Koch in the 1920,s and this class had been obsolete and superseeded by Singer 20 yrs before??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Constabulary Report post Posted April 25, 2020 ouh - sweet (I´m missing the drooling smiley here). Certain people probably would kill for these tables Unfortunately an overkill for me - spacewise. In the City of Bielefeld (Home of Dürkopp-Adler) is a complete factory (now a museum) who have similar tables (but Baer & Rempel made) and it is still fully set up with machines and all that other stuff. Not sure if I ever have shown the picture - here are just a few... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Constabulary Report post Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) BTW - I have a stand like in the picture with the 1st 45K machine - this sooner or later will be set up as my kitchen table. The plate I finished approx 1yr ago but still haven´t it fully set up --- will be my next project to finish (I hope) Preview - pictures from approx 1 yr ago Edited April 25, 2020 by Constabulary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimi Report post Posted April 25, 2020 Nice pictures Folker, Yes, looks very similar to the Singer ones, there were a few types i think. They would be good for the Singer museum maybe?? The only thing missing from the Durkopp setup in the museum is the original stools?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoutmom103 Report post Posted April 25, 2020 Wow. Great pics thanks Folker and thanks jimi for starting the thread with the pics of the table in France. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dikman Report post Posted April 25, 2020 Your last photo shows how the table was used, good stuff, I couldn't quite work it out from the first one. There's something nice about those old cast iron table supports. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert51 Report post Posted April 25, 2020 Wow, great photos, I hate to work like they did, I say that's where they got the term "Sweat Shop" from. Would I be wrong thinking, most of those machines and tables would have gone straight to scrap? Bert. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LumpenDoodle2 Report post Posted April 26, 2020 Lovely machines, lovely tables. Was that a 45 made in Kilbowie, Scotland machine there? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimi Report post Posted April 26, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, LumpenDoodle2 said: Was that a 45 made in Kilbowie, Scotland machine there? As if you didn´t know.... Edited April 26, 2020 by jimi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LumpenDoodle2 Report post Posted April 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, jimi said: As if you didn´t know.... They get everywhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimi Report post Posted April 26, 2020 15 hours ago, Bert51 said: Would I be wrong thinking, most of those machines and tables would have gone straight to scrap? More than likely Bert... 16 hours ago, dikman said: Your last photo shows how the table was used, good stuff, I couldn't quite work it out from the first one. There's something nice about those old cast iron table supports. Maye because the foot pedals are missing from the wooden plank on the floor? 18 hours ago, Scoutmom103 said: Wow. Great pics thanks Folker and thanks jimi for starting the thread with the pics of the table in France. Your welcome.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimi Report post Posted April 26, 2020 1 minute ago, LumpenDoodle2 said: They get everywhere. Its a pity they pulled the buildings down, they could have made flats from them like the jute mills in Dundee?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LumpenDoodle2 Report post Posted April 26, 2020 8 minutes ago, jimi said: Its a pity they pulled the buildings down, they could have made flats from them like the jute mills in Dundee?? You are so right, they very nearly destroyed the big clockface too, but the locals complained. The size of that factory was amazing, with every need catered for, from their own metal casting, to hand finishing the needles, to social clubs for the workers. I visited the Kilbowie Centre a number of years ago, and they really can’t see the potential of what they have there. You just need to watch the youtube vids to be deeply impressed. There again, I’m biased, my Kilbowie made Singer 29K is only 106 years old, and going strong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fredk Report post Posted April 26, 2020 20 hours ago, jimi said: Nice pictures Folker, Yes, looks very similar to the Singer ones, there were a few types i think. They would be good for the Singer museum maybe?? The only thing missing from the Durkopp setup in the museum is the original stools?? Looking at that photo I've just realised somat. I used to come across stools like that seen in the lower right. Cast iron with a circular wood seat. Most had Simanco cast into them. Just about every home had one or two, junk / 2nd hand shops had them by the tens. I had 3 in my photo studio for portrait sitting seats and general use. I got them given to me. Here they were usually used and called 'piano' stools, now I know what they really were. Its only recently that I learnt that Simanco is/was Singer Manufacturing Company. PS. I like my 15k models, my oldest is of 1913 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LumpenDoodle2 Report post Posted April 26, 2020 21 minutes ago, fredk said: Looking at that photo I've just realised somat. I used to come across stools like that seen in the lower right. Cast iron with a circular wood seat. Most had Simanco cast into them. Just about every home had one or two, junk / 2nd hand shops had them by the tens. I had 3 in my photo studio for portrait sitting seats and general use. I got them given to me. Here they were usually used and called 'piano' stools, now I know what they really were. Its only recently that I learnt that Simanco is/was Singer Manufacturing Company. PS. I like my 15k models, my oldest is of 1913 Those stools are like hens teeth nowadays, and cost more than the poo from a rocking horse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimi Report post Posted April 26, 2020 29 minutes ago, LumpenDoodle2 said: Those stools are like hens teeth nowadays, and cost more than the poo from a rocking horse. Same as almost anything "Industrial" these days, for every 4 stools there must have been a industrial lamp....Lol.. and they have gone sky high also.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LumpenDoodle2 Report post Posted April 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, jimi said: Same as almost anything "Industrial" these days, for every 4 stools there must have been a industrial lamp....Lol.. and they have gone sky high also.... Pssst.... Don’t tell anyone, but I have a Singer lamp. It came off a dead Singer 15 (with table,), so not heavy duty industrial, but looks nice. I’ve repainted it, but after my hubby passed away at the end of 2018, it got stuck into a storage box somewhere. I plan to dig it out, and convert it to led, hopefully this year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Constabulary Report post Posted April 26, 2020 (edited) psssst... wanna buy a Singer lamp? Edited April 26, 2020 by Constabulary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LumpenDoodle2 Report post Posted April 26, 2020 dis light is mine, all mine. My precious..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisash Report post Posted April 27, 2020 The only main thing missing for the Table is the boiler room and steam engine to provide the belt power There must have been massive risk with large factories and breaking belts flying around Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert51 Report post Posted April 27, 2020 The driven shaft is under the table along with the Transmitter (Clutch unit), so I assume it is driven from under the floor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimi Report post Posted May 4, 2020 Just for anyone wanting to know about the machine dates, I asked the owner of the Singer 45k33 in the picture above, with the kick foot, the serial number and it was made in 1906 and was probably it´s last run of production before this class was obsolete and superseded by the 45k58 (which was the 45ksv51) and the cylinder type 45k31 was also stopped and superseded by the 45k56 (which was the 45ksv50). Thanks to the Smithsonian site and it´s great information we know this. The catalouge is dated 1907. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
