CFM chuck123wapati Posted June 9, 2021 CFM Report Posted June 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Frodo said: I believe the word that would be correct is ''custom" I would personally call it handmade but the word custom would be more a accurate term according to webster. hand made means with out machinery custom would work very well. Maybe hand crafted? Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
CFM Frodo Posted June 9, 2021 CFM Report Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) This is handmade I watch his old man and marvel at his skill Edited June 9, 2021 by Frodo Quote Singer 66, Chi Chi Patcher, Rex 26-188, singer 29k62 , 2-needles D.C.F.M
Members Spyros Posted June 9, 2021 Author Members Report Posted June 9, 2021 A human-powered machine is still a machine Webster said no machines Lol Quote
CFM chuck123wapati Posted June 9, 2021 CFM Report Posted June 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Spyros said: I still don't understand you. Is this a website only for people who sell stuff? Does every discussion has to revolve around sales? no its not and no it doesn't in your case but in mine and others who have responded it does. you should have been clearer and said I don't sell my stuff so I don't care, instead it didn't sound very well imo. in the end however it still is the decision of whom ever see's it or you talk about it with or give it to that will decide if they think your works is truly handmade. Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
CFM chuck123wapati Posted June 9, 2021 CFM Report Posted June 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Spyros said: A human-powered machine is still a machine Webster said no machines Lol webster said this, so what is a hand process? Definition of handmade: made by hand or by a hand process Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
Members Spyros Posted June 9, 2021 Author Members Report Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, chuck123wapati said: webster said this, so what is a hand process? Definition of handmade: made by hand or by a hand process What does that mean? Can we use tools? Machines? What if it's a man powered machine, like a press? I don't understand where is the cutoff point exactly. Is it the use of electricity? So if you make everything manually but then you do a crease with an electric creasing machine you're disqualified? If I use a pc & printer to print a pattern? Am I allowed to turn the lights on or does it have to be candlelight? Edited June 9, 2021 by Spyros Quote
Members Carnivore Posted June 9, 2021 Members Report Posted June 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Frodo said: I believe Chuck brought this point up in the last discussion on this topic the only true hand made leather items were made by the Indians who killed, tanned and sewn the skin with the aid of ZERO machines they made everything from the knives to the needles. Machines were not involved To be totally handmade they would have had to have killed the deer by hand ie: throttled it. Quote
Members Klara Posted June 9, 2021 Members Report Posted June 9, 2021 Actually, what "handmade" conjures in my mind is that the item has been made by one person. Who possibly used a machine at some point... I'm a member of an Artisan's Association (as a dyer, spinner, weaver and knitter - and yes, I do have my own flock of sheep) - we all sell hand-made products, but I use a drum carder and spinning wheel, the tailor a sewing machine, quite possibly also the guy who makes handbags from chrome-tanned leathers, certainly the lady who makes bags from fabric and recycled leather garments. The common point is that we start with raw materials (not kits!) and use our skill to make something from them. Also it is our decision what to make and how to make it. That's not the dictionary definition, but it's what I think when I read hand-made. Unless I go to IKEA and see a ceiling-high stack of "hand-made" baskets. Then I'm thinking of exploited workers in some faraway country getting paid pennies for a day's work... (though there's still a good chance that one basket was made by one worker) Quote
CFM chuck123wapati Posted June 9, 2021 CFM Report Posted June 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Carnivore said: To be totally handmade they would have had to have killed the deer by hand ie: throttled it. If they made thier bows and arrows? Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
CFM chuck123wapati Posted June 9, 2021 CFM Report Posted June 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Spyros said: What does that mean? Can we use tools? Machines? What if it's a man powered machine, like a press? I don't understand where is the cutoff point exactly. Is it the use of electricity? So if you make everything manually but then you do a crease with an electric creasing machine you're disqualified? If I use a pc & printer to print a pattern? Am I allowed to turn the lights on or does it have to be candlelight? I don't know what that means but it is the crux of the question. Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
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