Members Spyros Posted June 12, 2021 Author Members Report Posted June 12, 2021 16 hours ago, fredk said: teehee. that be funny mmmm, what might my code be? MIMA? Made In My Apartment? We call it a 'Flat' but MIMF doesn't work so good Nothing good comes to mind, I keep thinking of MILF for some reason Quote
toxo Posted June 12, 2021 Report Posted June 12, 2021 A friend of mine used to import and sell various stuff from Thailand. I always said " It's marvellous what a Thailander? can make with a few sticks of wood" After reading some of this thread I thought back to Harley Davidsons they make out of a bunch of reeds.They ranged from 6 inches long to full size. Obviously they don't make the reeds or the occassional pins or the paint/lacquer but those bikes were made with a pair of hands and a knife. That's handmade. Every other definition is an individuals personal agenda and always will be. Quote
CFM Frodo Posted June 12, 2021 CFM Report Posted June 12, 2021 just a thought. The more I think about the origin of the word handmade the more I think it was most likely do to the industrial revolution , things started being made in factories by machinery so it only makes sense to me that the term handmade would start to be used Quote Singer 66, Chi Chi Patcher, Rex 26-188, singer 29k62 , 2-needles D.C.F.M
Members Klara Posted June 12, 2021 Members Report Posted June 12, 2021 Very probably, as everything would have been handmade before then. Or possibly it might be a mid-20th century term, from when really cheap mass-produced crap started to floof the Planet. Anybody remember the (old) film of the musical "The Fiddler on the Roof"? There the village tailor can finally buy a sewing machine and jumps with joy: "Now my clothes will be machine-made, now they will be perfect!" Quote
CFM chuck123wapati Posted June 12, 2021 CFM Report Posted June 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Frodo said: just a thought. The more I think about the origin of the word handmade the more I think it was most likely do to the industrial revolution , things started being made in factories by machinery so it only makes sense to me that the term handmade would start to be used dont ask me how they know lol. https://www.bigcommerce.com/ecommerce-answers/how-define-handmade-items/ Webster's Dictionary defines handmade as an item made by hand or by a hand process. It was first used in the early seventeenth century. Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
Contributing Member fredk Posted June 12, 2021 Contributing Member Report Posted June 12, 2021 4 hours ago, chuck123wapati said: dont ask me how they know lol. If your referring to the dictionary - Webster's, Oxford Dictionary, Cambridge Dictionary, etc employ full time and part-time researchers who look for the oldest printed example of a word and in that by the context the word is used what it meant Quote Al speling misteaks aer all mi own werk..
Members Tugadude Posted June 12, 2021 Members Report Posted June 12, 2021 This is from the bigcommerce.com article that Chuck linked to: Other definitions include the aspect of craftsmanship and imply that a handmade item is typically of higher quality than one mass produced by a machine. Because humans are not machines, many retailers remind customers that handmade products may feature inconsistencies or slight flaws. Those are signs that the product wasn't mass produced. The underlining is mine. So which is it? Is handmade better or worse? If you read those sentences, you won't get an answer because they contradict each other, or seem to anyway. But to take a real example, consider a knife blade. A machine can churn out thousands in short order and they all will be nearly identical, as identical as it is possible to be. A craftsperson can make a better knife, but if they made a thousand of them there might be a wide fluctuation in sizes and shapes. Or potentially so. So in that instance, yes, there are inconsistencies, but you are still getting a better knife. So the sentences don't necessarily contradict each other. Quote
CFM chuck123wapati Posted June 12, 2021 CFM Report Posted June 12, 2021 2 hours ago, fredk said: If your referring to the dictionary - Webster's, Oxford Dictionary, Cambridge Dictionary, etc employ full time and part-time researchers who look for the oldest printed example of a word and in that by the context the word is used what it meant no how they came up with the 1700s? they didn't really say. Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
Contributing Member fredk Posted June 12, 2021 Contributing Member Report Posted June 12, 2021 18 minutes ago, chuck123wapati said: no how they came up with the 1700s? they didn't really say. Possibly the researchers looking thru old documents, newspapers, hand-bills have identified the words being used in the 17thC (= 1600s, not 1700s = 18th century) An example; 'square meal' - often thought to be of Royal Navy of about early 1800s, now known to have been used as far back as 1580s Quote Al speling misteaks aer all mi own werk..
Members Rahere Posted June 13, 2021 Members Report Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) One major factor for the English lead in the Industrial revolution was the Armada. Queen Elizabeth 1 had become convinced the previous practice of conscripting trading ships was no longer feasible, and had seen for herself the problems of designs like the Vasa and Mary Rose. Prompted by privateers, she opted for smaller, faster ships, and started producing them in number. That led to standard designs of rigging blocks and a single contract for Artillery, to the former Cistercian Ironworks at Tintern Abbey, very close to the Ordnance Board's base at Monmouth. Architectural research is going on at the moment to the system of leats and races in the Amgidy Valley next to the Abbey (the Dominicans being masters at water management), with the result that the cannon on English ships all had similar sized ammunition and so could be resupplied off-the-shelf. The Spanish didn't: once one of their cannons had fired off its shot, it was useless. As a result, standardisation became part of Cromwell's arsenal, and England was more than 50 years ahead of the rest of Europe by the time of the Napoleonic wars. It took the French 200 years to come up with the Grimbeauval cannon system, for example. An additional factor was the Roman Catholic response to scientific innovation. Although Athanasius Kircher was near the cutting edge, science was seen as alchemical, and al-quimia was a Muslim craft, therefore heretical. When the same alchemist who'd got the Counts of Hoornes and Egmont executed for that reeason in 1568 resurfaced in 1618, he immediately demonstrated to Jan van Helmont, overthrowing the good Doctor's paracelsian thinking and starting him on the course of empirical observation, which led through his son, the fruit of celebrating his sudden wealth, becoming Leibnitz' mentor. Where the Inquisition could stop Galileo, nobody could stop Newton and the rest of Protestant Northern Europe. So where we had the Freemasonic Royal Society promoting steam, France had a wastrel monarchy playing shepherdesses. However, industrialisation sought efficiency, and efficiency wasn't always safety-conscious. As a result, quality declined, and craft skills gained an edge. This became significant in the 19th Century Arts-and-Crafts movement, which actually brought the sense of industry back up to scratch, through Quaker and Methodist bosses. It's a lesson we've never forgotten: our success in sorting the ventilator shortage in just 5 days in March last year has given British Industry its mojo back. Prince Philip had had a hand in that in the 1980s, working with my dad to create the cooedination mechanism. And that is why hand-made invokes craft detail. Tools are fitted to the individual, not the individual to the tool. As a result, a craftsman never has reason to blame his tools. He's their master. It may not have the cost-savings of mass production, but neither does it have its failings. Just as Hong Kong was a byeword for tat in the 1960s, so Chinese is now, for exactly the same reasons we purged in the 19th Century here, cutting too many corners. The result was Prince Albert's leadership of the extension of the Royal Society into all the Professions, setting up standards bodies in the same way the Renaissance craft guilds did. You get two out of three, pretty, quick and cheap. Which are you willing to forgo? Cheap Chinese may be unreliable. Good design working well, fast, won't come cheap. You might have to wait till the 12th of Never for that cheap tool doing the perfect job. Edited June 13, 2021 by Rahere Quote
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