Indian princess

[DustinSmith]

Making some straps for a Louis vuitton backpack

[PastorBob]

nice detail work. very sharp!!

[YinTx]

I have seen this design before.  Have you posted something similar here?  Very nicely done.

YinTx

[DustinSmith]

I have, I changed it up some for this particular one, added the wolf 

[YinTx]

I liked it then, I like it now!

YinTx

[ScottWolf]

Sorry if this is too pedantic, and I am definitely not being PC/woke here, but there is no such thing as an "Indian Princess". As a Native American, I can definitively say that in Native American culture, there is no such social hierarchy like what is found in a Monarchy, where there are such things as Princesses and Princes, etc. That aside, I do think the leather work is commendable in its detail and craftsmanship. Kudos.

[YinTx]

That is cool info to know.  but leave room for artistic license.  Terms of endearment.  must leather be historically accurate?

America doesn't have dynastic hierarchies.  But tons of little ones running around this country who's parents refer to them as little princes and princesses.  just sayin.  

Edited July 14, 2021 by YinTx

[ScottWolf]

1 hour ago, YinTx said:

That is cool info to know.  but leave room for artistic license.  Terms of endearment.  must leather be historically accurate?

America doesn't have dynastic hierarchies.  But tons of little ones running around this country who's parents refer to them as little princes and princesses.  just sayin.  

Sorry, but it's not artistic license, it's simply wrong. It's as inaccurate as referring to someone that is of Asian descent as Oriental. Rugs are oriental, not a people. There is no such thing as an Indian princess and it's not a term of endearment or any other rationalization one may come up with. It's one thing to be ignorant of  facts, but when presented with those facts and one chooses to try and explain them away and or ignore them, then it's just stupidity.  

[chrisash]

D they teach Indian history in all schools in the USA to a good level about their history or is it just washed over

[spacedog]

The clean cuts and level of detail is impressive. The feathers at the bottom must have taken a lot of practice.

[DJole]

13 hours ago, chrisash said:

Do they teach Indian history in all schools in the USA to a good level about their history or is it just washed over

Not much in K-12, unless you happen to live in/on one of the big reservations (like the Navajo, for example). It's mostly only discussed briefly as the western cultures collided with the native peoples over the past 3 centuries. 

It's also difficult to get to a "good level" on "their" history, because they are not one single group, either cultural or regional. In the past, that was hundreds of tribes, nations, and confederacies, with different languages and histories.  And if we add modern Canada and Alaska to the mix, the amount of information doubles in size and complexity. There are fewer now, but still a daunting amount of information to try and master.
So one can only really get a sense of native American or First Nations' people's history on a university level by deliberately seeking it out and seeking to become a specialist -- or by diving into the Internet with the same intent.

[DustinSmith]

Didn't mean to offend or be anti "woke", also it is the title of a post on a leatherwork forum, not a billboard on a highway or an educational pamphlet, its not stamped into the strap, even before I made the post I was aware of the hierarchy of our native Americans, would squaw be more acceptable? Not to mention the fact that a native american woman probably wouldn't have worn a chiefs headress anyway, its art, and true art is not pc, if people would keep their feelings out of things this would be a better world, just my .02

[JayEhl]

man, that is some really nice carving with the swivel knife.  Very cool art work.      Lots of finesse and practice went into that skill level.  I had to take a double take on the braids on the headband.  Looked like it was lace!  What beveling tool did you use to get such fine details?   Whomever is going to wear it will get lots of compliments, I'm sure!

[DustinSmith]

Mostly a Barry King 00 steep checkered beveler, for the lace I beveled it and then where it goes into the headband used a BK size 0 lifter to make it look like holes, thank you

[ScottWolf]

10 hours ago, DustinSmith said:

Didn't mean to offend or be anti "woke", also it is the title of a post on a leatherwork forum, not a billboard on a highway or an educational pamphlet, its not stamped into the strap, even before I made the post I was aware of the hierarchy of our native Americans, would squaw be more acceptable? Not to mention the fact that a native american woman probably wouldn't have worn a chiefs headress anyway, its art, and true art is not pc, if people would keep their feelings out of things this would be a better world, just my .02

As I stated in my initial post, I am FAR from being woke/PC or any of that other BS, because that is what it is. And no, as I am sure you know, squaw wouldn't be any better, that would be worse actually. Feelings have nothing to do with it, this is about pointing out an ignorant misnomer that people perpetuate. Yes, it might be pedantic, but would you rather someone told you that you were doing something (anything) wrong instead of just letting you continue to show that ignorance?  

[DustinSmith]

You're not wrong and I get what you're saying and respect your way of thinking however for arguments sake for this particular situation and this venue, she could be a Hindu indian, wearing a native american headress and married to a son of the royal family in England, in which case Indian Princess would be accurate, oh and her pronouns are she/her