A little change to make a BIG differance on Cowboy sewing machines

[Thescandall]

I would like to add. Shipping here in the USA is at an alll time slow. Getting parts and accessories from Techsew Canada is taking weeks because of the truckers storming the capital.  Lots of unhappy truckers over the mandates.  

[Thescandall]

Hey Rocky

Tracking says my narrow feed plate and dog are actually in Houston now. Should get it in a couple days. 
 I’ll give a report on the fit and function soon. 
 I got some small needles. #19 and #21 and some #138 thread.  Installed the drop down guide and put the left side presser foot on getting ready for it.  

[RockyAussie]

10 minutes ago, Thescandall said:

Hey Rocky

Tracking says my narrow feed plate and dog are actually in Houston now. Should get it in a couple days. 
 I’ll give a report on the fit and function soon. 
 I got some small needles. #19 and #21 and some #138 thread.  Installed the drop down guide and put the left side presser foot on getting ready for it.  

Thanks for the update. Just curious ...you say you have #19 and #21 needles and some #138 thread. The smallest leather point (LR if you want the slanted look)needle on these is a #23 which is what I have used on many of the products in the pictures in this posting. I am not sure that with 138 thread that you should use less than a size 22 needle even with the fabric needles either.

[Thescandall]

I have a 23 in 704 as well. The specs sat the 5100 will sew down to #18 needle. Your right I need some smaller thread for those needles tho. I think 96 or something. 
 Suggestions would be great. 
 I only have about 11” of stitching with it under my belt.  
 I want to do some smaller stuff like wallets and ladies.  wallets. 

[Spyros]

33 minutes ago, RockyAussie said:

Thanks for the update. Just curious ...you say you have #19 and #21 needles and some #138 thread. The smallest leather point (LR if you want the slanted look)needle on these is a #23 which is what I have used on many of the products in the pictures in this posting. I am not sure that with 138 thread that you should use less than a size 22 needle even with the fabric needles either.

Hey quick question: back in Vardhmans metric system, what needle would you use for an M13 thread?  I couldnt find M10 so I got some M13, and I used a 200 needle with it.  Which worked, but the holes seem a bit too big for that thread, should I go down to 160?

By the way I just had a battle between a RiRi zipper tooth and a 200 Smetz needle :D

RiRi won.  Good thing I was wearing glasses is all I can say, the needle shattered in 5 pieces.

[kgg]

1 hour ago, Spyros said:

Hey quick question: back in Vardhmans metric system, what needle would you use for an M13 thread? 

The thread designation "M" is that for the thread designation for the "Far East" it does not mean metric even though they are the same sizes. The M13 thread is the same as V207, Tex 210, 13 (metric size). According to A&E " Thread Size Comparison Chart 2 12 16 " the minimum size needle for fabric would be a number 24 (180 metric). I would suggest moving to a number 25 (200 metric) depend on how thick and tough the leather is.

For V138 (Tex 135) the minimum size would be a number 22 (140 metric) for fabric.

On 1/29/2022 at 12:00 PM, Thescandall said:

Getting parts and accessories from Techsew Canada is taking weeks because of the truckers storming the capital.

Wrong province, the capital is in Ontario while Techsew is in Quebec and the truckers protest is only 10 days old.

kgg

 

[Spyros]

5 minutes ago, kgg said:

The thread designation "M" is that for the thread designation for the "Far East" it does not mean metric even though they are the same sizes. The M13 thread is the same as V207, Tex 210, 13 (metric size). According to A&E " Thread Size Comparison Chart 2 12 16 " the minimum size needle for fabric would be a number 24 (180 metric). I would suggest moving to a number 25 (200 metric) depend on how thick and tough the leather is.

For V138 (Tex 135) the minimum size would be a number 22 (140 metric) for fabric

 

Thank you sir

[Wizcrafts]

3 hours ago, Thescandall said:

I have a 23 in 704 as well. The specs sat the 5100 will sew down to #18 needle. Your right I need some smaller thread for those needles tho. I think 96 or something. 
 Suggestions would be great. 
 I only have about 11” of stitching with it under my belt.  
 I want to do some smaller stuff like wallets and ladies.  wallets. 

I suggest that you read my blog article about dumbing down a Cowboy, Cobra, or other Juki TSC-441 clone.

[RockyAussie]

7 hours ago, Spyros said:

Hey quick question: back in Vardhmans metric system, what needle would you use for an M13 thread?  I couldnt find M10 so I got some M13, and I used a 200 needle with it.  Which worked, but the holes seem a bit too big for that thread, should I go down to 160?

By the way I just had a battle between a RiRi zipper tooth and a 200 Smetz needle :D

RiRi won.  Good thing I was wearing glasses is all I can say, the needle shattered in 5 pieces.

Hey @Spyros the best would be a 24/180 needle but they will still have some trouble whether it be Riri or Ykk metal teeth. If possible pull the teeth out where you are going through. Knipex cutters or side cutters whichever you got on hand. This link shows a fairly good thread chart on the Toledo site - https://www.tolindsewmach.com/thread-chart.html

[Spyros]

2 hours ago, RockyAussie said:

Hey @Spyros the best would be a 24/180 needle but they will still have some trouble whether it be Riri or Ykk metal teeth. If possible pull the teeth out where you are going through. Knipex cutters or side cutters whichever you got on hand. This link shows a fairly good thread chart on the Toledo site - https://www.tolindsewmach.com/thread-chart.html

I know, I know, I just got lazy... I removed some teeth, but the zipper shifted slightly and when I realised I needed to remove more I convinced myself instead that the needle would naturally find its way between the teeth.   Nope.  Lesson learned.

Thanks for the chart