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These are all very good ideas, that is what I like about this forum! Unfortunately at the moment I am already trying to do 10 things at once I'll save these ideas for a later day. I have searched all the online sites here in Romania for every term possible. Other than new Chinese machines, and a few expensive used ones, that is all I can find. I'll keep an eye open though, maybe I'll find something! Sometimes I wish I was living back in the US where these machines show up used all the time But I can get better leather here! -Adam
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Thanks! This machine does not have one. I had a few scraps wanting to come up, however most of it was taken away with the vacuum. It is a cheap part, I'll order one. -Adam
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Yesterday I was able to get the knife sharp and it is skiving great! I was able to skive down to about 0.4mm :). Now just to get a teflon or roller presser foot and some other small parts. The vacuum works pretty good but I need a new filter. I do want to get a new cover for the knife. It makes me nervous having that blade spinning all the time and only half covered! The machine cleaned up nice and I was able to get the covers working pretty good. Is it worth it to get a scrap ejector, or is it a waste of money? Like this one: https://www.campbell-randall.com/shop/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=15314 Thanks, -Adam
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Welcome to the forum! -Adam
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@Trox Hmm the lasers might work. I used the double sided tape when I had mine. It was still a mess Changing out dies was not something I looked forward to! You are right, for what most leather worker's need the large flat presses are not needed. I only need one for my logo and then maybe for people's names etc. If money was not object then a Kwikprint, Kingsley, or Metallic Elephant from the UK would be my choice. If I could find a good deal on one in Romania I would but it! They seem to be rare here. -Adam
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@trox Thanks for the info. I hope to be looking for a hot foil press soon. Years ago I bought a large flat bed model (from China) when I did printing, wish I still had it! These machines can be picky, the key is the heat, amount of pressure and dwell time. What I did not like about mine was aligning the magnesium logo/type with the work on the bed. The machine just had a flat head and metal table. I used large magnet bars to align the covers I was stamping. It was a pain! When I buy one for leather work I want one with a way of aligning the work on the bed. Also a much easier way of attaching the dies. -Adam
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Hello and welcome to the forum! I can't think of any books at the moment. If I do I will try you let you know. I would think making straps (belts etc.) would use very similar technics. Maybe start by researching that. What I can suggest is looking at Abbey England (http://abbeyengland.com). They specialize in selling leather and hardware for harness and bridle. Great resource for the kind of work you want to do. You don't have to be a business with them to get an account. I have ordered from them a few times. I hope someone with bridle/harness experience can help you! -Adam Beautiful photos by the way
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Leather newbie seeking answers about watch bands
arz replied to doingmahresearch's topic in Leatherwork Conversation
Also, as someone once told me "I'm not paying for the leather, I'm paying for your skills." Fine quality leather for a watch strap in reality is the cheap part, it is the skill and time involved that cost... -Adam -
@RockyAussie Thanks for the info! You are very creative I like playing with things like this, but like most people my time is very valuable. I will keep playing with my machine and probably buy a roller from China. The 50mm roller from Italy is 178 euro! The 50mm teflon is about 80 euro. I need something because the normal foot can mark some of the leather we use. Either way, I'm learning a lot and think the skiving machine will really help us make the high-end fine wallets we want. It is really a must have tool! Have you ever used the teflon feet? How does it compare to a roller? -Adam
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@RockyAussie Thanks! In my machine manual and also online I have seen smaller feed wheels. For example on the Fratelli Alberti website they recommend the 34mm roller with their 34mm feed wheel. If I use it on a 50mm feed wheel the shape may not be right, that was my concern. Thanks for the link! -Adam
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Leather newbie seeking answers about watch bands
arz replied to doingmahresearch's topic in Leatherwork Conversation
I agree, watch straps are not easy. Much harder than it looks I am not sure if there is an advantage between the different styles, probably just personal preference. For me it depends on what the customer wants (rustic, classic, etc.) There are a few different ways to make them. I would suggest doing a YouTube search and see what others are doing. The video My63 suggested is great! I watched the below videos and they helped me understand how they are constructed. Also, look on Instagram, lots of photos of how they are made. -Adam -
Can you tell me the width of the roller (the larger one)? I can't seem to find that info anywhere. I know the Fratelli Alberti come in 34mm and 50mm. They are saying the 34mm is best used with a smaller feed wheel... Thanks, Adam
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Does anyone in Europe know where I can buy a large (40-55mm) roller foot for my bottom feed skiving machine? I have an Italian Atom. Perphaps someone has an extra they would sell me I would love to find a good used one. I know about Mando in France and Fratelli Alberti in Italy. I am still waiting to hear back from Atom in the UK. The original Italian one (855C) is much more money than I want to pay. Worse case I will order one from China and modify it... On a side note...has anyone used the teflon 50mm foot? How does it compare to a roller foot? Thanks! -Adam
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Great! I am not familiar with clutch motors that is why I ask. I would just like to keep in engaged all the time, so when I turn the machine on the blade and vacuum start up immediately. Thanks, -Adam
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One quick question: my blade is run by my clutch motor. Can I leave the clutch engaged (by putting a spring on the clutch arm)? Will this hurt the motor/clutch when turning it on and off? Thanks, -Adam
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As promised here are some photos of the Ellegi/Atom GL12 skiving machine I bought and the start of the modifications I want to make. The machine was owned by an older couple closing their shoe making shop and was in great condition. The model I bought has two motors: 1 for the vacuum and 1 clutch motor that runs the blade and feed wheel. The feeding speed was much too fast for my use. As I only paid about 200 euro for it I decided I would try to make the feed wheel independent of the blade. I also wanted to be able to finely control the feed speed, for example being able to very slowly feed the leather in and then gradually increase the speed as I skive. I researched every way possible to add a third motor for the feed wheel. There are three ways you can do this (that I can think of): 1. a direct drive servo directly behind the feed wheel as found in some new machines; 2. a motor underneath the feed pulley on the right of the machine; and 3, a motor on the top of the table behind the feed pulley, again on the right of the machine. Option 1 is far beyond most people's abilities, at lest mine! I tried very hard to make option 2 work but could not. My table has upper cross supports, a lower belt guard and a middle sheet metal "wall" between the operator and clutch motor. The only way I might have made this work was to replace the clutch motor with a small servo. I am too cheap to do this! The clutch motor works great so I want to use that for the blade as long as I can. That left me with option number 3 which is what I went with. I found a new Jake JK-513A servo motor for about $105 from a dealer 5 minutes from where I live. This was cheaper and easier than buying a DC or servo motor, the power supplies, controller etc. It is 550W which is much more power than I need, but the price was right. I recommend a motor where the motor, foot controller and power supply are separate. Without that I could not have done this. My table has so many under supports that I need this flexibility. I removed the belt from the main shaft that goes to the feed pulley. I then mount this motor directly behind it on the table top. It took a little bit of playing with the placement of the motor, the foot controller and power supply and it works! Not elegant, but it is doing what I want The feed is now controlled by the foot pedal and servo speed controller and the blade runs continuously. I have used a machine that had a separate clutch for the feed wheel. This offers even better control than that in my very limited experience! If you have space under your table that would be a better option. Here is someone on Instagram who has done this: Here are some photos. I will post some more when I get a chance. I need to cut a slot in the machine belt cover, mount the belt cover on the motor and buy a few parts for the machine. Hope this helps! -Adam
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Yes you do have to watch the speed, I have only used it at slow speed (don't want to wake up the neighbors!). When I burnish (which is rare because we use wax edge paint for almost all our products), I use Tokonole which really does not need the dremel. I find a piece of canvas to be enough. I will sometimes use the dremel if I apply wax after burnishing, that needs more heat than I can quickly generate with canvas only. The dremel can also be useful to round and smooth edge paint, but you have to be real careful! We sometimes put a buffing attachment on to help give edges a shine. We use whatever works at the moment -Adam
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Good idea I'll keep that mind!
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Good idea, I forgot about that. I just made some belt keepers and used a small paper clamp with some leather glued to it. I burnished it by hand and dremel:
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I have the same burnisher (two of them). I have a small clamp the will hold my dremel. This would allow you to use it hands free. Here is what I have. It is a for a normal drill but I added a piece of leather so the dremel will fit. I normally use it in my hand and not in the stand. Just be careful not to put too much pressure on it...the shaft on the burnisher is small. -Adam
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How to lay down wallet pockets straight and even repeatedly
arz replied to RockyAussie's topic in How Do I Do That?
Very interesting, thanks for posting. Reminds me of some of the printing equipment I have used in the past... It is true that guides, jigs etc. can make life much easier! I learned that doing wood working. -Adam- 18 replies
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Thank you anyway, very kind of you! If/when I do any modifications etc. I will start a new post.
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I will use the clutch motor currently on the machine to run the blade continuously (at full speed). I would like to remove the belt from the main shaft to the feed wheel and add a small servo motor for the feed wheel. That will give me great control with feeding. My thought was it will be much easier to do this than add a vacuum Plus for what I paid I could not go wrong. -Adam
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We also use the Wuta irons, we like them overall (especially for the price and quick shipping!). They are very sharp but I wish the handles were longer and they were heavier. That would greatly help in my opinion. It's a challenge to keep a straight and consistent line of pricking marks from the edge, it does get easier with practice. Some leathers are easier than others to do this. I normally put a crease on the edge and then use that as a guide. Also, for Alran goat or similar leather (with a finish and grain) it is hard sometimes to even see a line made by a divider, that is where using the crease comes in handy. In the photo below I just used the crease as my guide... -Adam
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I found a different Ellegi (Atom) model and bought it. It was much less than the other one, I only paid $250 for it! This one is newer (2001), a little better condition, was already converted to 220V, and was used by a older couple closing their shoe making shop. Works great. It has a vacuum but not a continuous running knife. For the price I paid I can easily add a second small servo motor to run the feed wheel. At the moment it is in the back of my van until I can find help to move it (it weighs 113kg!). I'll post a photo once I get it in the shop. Thank you for all your help and advice! -Adam