Id been getting Zack Whites Bull Hides for a couple years and they were consistantly awesome, the last order I placed I recieved a e mail saying they were back ordered for an unknown time, I recontacted them to cancel because its kinda hard to give a customer a wait time of indefinate length and was told that they were having trouble getting the hides from the Mexican tannerry that they were dealing with. About a month after I called and got a couple more, this time I was less than satisfied, the only thing that resembled the past hides were the clean pasted backs, they were uneven in color and far from clean, loaded with wrinkles and stretch marks, i'll be going back to kevin for the Hermann Oak.