Choice 441 (juki tsc 441 clone)

[Marcremb]

Hello. I do Upholstery for living. I have 9 different sewing machine. I bought this 441 clone because i sometimes have to sew thick 

To be able to sew Upholstery stuff on it i have cut a slot with my dremel at the other end of the presser foot bar so i can install any kind of Walking foot Singer feet . It works great. I am very happy about it. 

The only thing is that the feed dog lifts to early before the needle and walking foot (needle foot) gets to the needle plate. 

So because it's large (feed dog) it lifts the presser foot before the needle foot (walking foot) gets down to lift the presser foot 

I would like to know where is the adjustment for that on the machine . Thanks 

[RockyAussie]

Great idea there, I will have to have a look at that. Have you tried to lower the feed dog down first? Is there any reason you are running the blanket foot plate and feed dog? Did you lower the back presser foot bar to get it that low for the singer foot? If you put a 1mm piece of leather under the throat plate and screw it down you may find that it will in effect lower the dog foot further down as well.

[Marcremb]

Hello RockyAussie 

No i didn't try to lower the feed dog because the theet are Just fine over the needle plate Just like on my other machines (what they say in the owner's book). 

I bought it used. It had 3 months old. I guess that it wasnt adjusted right at the manufacture before it got out because i had to adjust the needle centered in feed dog. The needle was way back in the feed dog hole. 

So probably that  issue needs another adjustment. But this one i dont know how to do it. I dont want to create another issue 

And yes i had to lower the presser foot bar, put a washer between the walking foot bar and  the foot +Also cut a longer hole in that walking foot for the needle to be free. 

 

[Marcremb]

Longer hole in the middle foot (walking foot) 

[RockyAussie]

2 hours ago, Marcremb said:

put a washer between the walking foot bar and  the foot

Could you show this please? For adjusting the timing in case you have not seen it before I will show this link to a video done by one of our best members on this forum @Uwe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT3AVgj_HLI&t=116s

If you follow right through on all of the steps you will get to where the adjustments you want to change. Another thing that may help you is this link to where I helped develop a narrow needle plate and dog foot that may help to stop the dog foot from lifting your back presser foot.

If you want to get a set pm me with your address details and I will get back with a cost.

[toxo]

10 hours ago, Marcremb said:

To be able to sew Upholstery stuff on it i have cut a slot with my dremel at the other end of the presser foot bar so i can install any kind of Walking foot Singer feet . It works great. I am very happy about it. 

 

What a brilliant hack! I'm clumping myself upside the head for not coming up with this myself. The difference in price for these feet is nothing short of colossal.

I have a full set of spring edge guides for my Durkopp 239 (same as Singer 111) at these kind of prices,

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272615402952?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item3f7924edc8:g:X7sAAOSws5Fd6wyH&amdata=enc%3AAQAGAAAA8OXjs%2BI1MGoQ7%2FATpDVSnMmwny3eCaXi00TVQ8nbKWs%2FFa%2FdUYS2Ghc3ZDu6%2B%2F3qk1rH%2FNEesLTlPwgVYgsyN5j557YLmYUpE4JKVBv3mC%2FKl39eNhoSu01GgOPpXe5Q2EIP%2BJd7EWnoTklVzH4oai2D9o5ufMbPaCDUd8kLWgbiRO5o4e5zZ0TahA7RfVtaVeJqX9dBrfOUwulW1ZEvCNQemrI1k%2FJm9qfitywPX%2BaKhHr0megxA488rFpZ2NnJ%2F%2FsbyEyPU55V7EavRjtwFbLZt1jVaju6vdiMU8U0rh7pstdxiAV3a0unyxUolxH4yQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABFBM5v6Rivhf

Versus the same thing for my Adler 69, and this is for one set of left and right of only one size. To buy the equivalent of the above would cost hundreds of pounds.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274602014562?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item3fef8e3762:g:7gIAAOSw0FRfy1Qz&amdata=enc%3AAQAGAAAA8HoBzgn4MVYBxeC18IScxgvjoddY%2B6m4aTIQKygVVqUTqCWw7f%2F1L5UKhFJnz%2FVSBvpr5m5NsP9XXPtZYJLU5kqpjOd99e5jfb9cv44R7f41pKYKFkah0adAM%2FJGOu8bMkf0ULRoZvQf388iLbaOFD%2B4v1Y4YlDV5wUWVcNJlD0261nzS0wv6jv59p%2FlUgCd90CvHXXnDI8%2BhUch%2FV3i8i5I9DxBu3XeoU3Sl%2BpusJwdLF7X8L3EGGRMAPrdchGs%2Blru3gIK1aFxj9Fe4lvHE%2FAXxIMgy3c3g9OkukBxn82tRJoj%2BDOvM4woozMwyGOscA%3D%3D|tkp%3ABFBMlun7ifhf

[Marcremb]

14 hours ago, RockyAussie said:

Could you show this please? For adjusting the timing in case you have not seen it before I will show this link to a video done by one of our best members on this forum @Uwe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT3AVgj_HLI&t=116s

If you follow right through on all of the steps you will get to where the adjustments you want to change. Another thing that may help you is this link to where I helped develop a narrow needle plate and dog foot that may help to stop the dog foot from lifting your back presser foot.

If you want to get a set pm me with your address details and I will get back with a cost.

 

[Marcremb]

On all walking foot sewing machine that i had and the ones that i now during my 32 years of sewing (unless they invented a different machine that i dont know) the walking foot meets the feed dog at the top surface level of the needle plate Also before the needle that meets them later in the cycle. 

 

So when the walking foot gets to the feed dog, it lifts the presser foot.

 

Mine is out of that adjustment. The needle enters the walking foot at the same time as the walking foot touches the feed dog that as pass the top surface of the needle plate. 

[Northmount]

@Marcremb  Moved your post to leather sewing machines.

[Wizcrafts]

2 hours ago, Marcremb said:

Mine is out of that adjustment. The needle enters the walking foot at the same time as the walking foot touches the feed dog that as pass the top surface of the needle plate.

The 441 machines are timed slightly differently than upholstery class walking foot machines.  I have a Cowboy CB4500 and one of my buddies has a Cobra Class 4. Both of us set the feet so that the inside foot hits the throat plate at the same time as the tip of the needle. Failure to set them this way throws the reverse stitches out of sync. My upholstery grade 111 type machines usually have the needle hit first. But, I sometimes tweak these positions for different jobs.