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Not in the same ballpark but when I make these arrowheads , I glue the blanks up and then when dry work the edges like Chuck said . Cut, shape , sand, and burnish . I am betting the the edges up top sre done much the same .  my $ 00.02

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1 hour ago, Tugadude said:

If my post has done nothing but cause people to stop and think

 

 

Absolutely agree my friend on the ethics there are many people here who could copy just about anything anyone else does and sometimes much better. 

As are mine Tug no ill intentions meant on my part, just food for thought. Social media has taken away civil discourse and the human right to differing opinions without argument or hard feelings , but only if we allow it

But see now i can see what a typical watercolor brush stroke becomes with dye and leather, its called a graded wash  basic to all water color artists and in no way unique to that process, with some fine sketching with a quill and ink on top and you have something completely different and unique.  I've seen that simple type of adornment it reminds me of Japanese style of decoration.

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29 minutes ago, chuck123wapati said:

Absolutely agree my friend on the ethics there are many people here who could copy just about anything anyone else does and sometimes much better. 

As are mine Tug no ill intentions meant on my part, just food for thought. Social media has taken away civil discourse and the human right to differing opinions without argument or hard feelings , but only if we allow it

But see now i can see what a typical watercolor brush stroke becomes with dye and leather, its called a graded wash  basic to all water color artists and in no way unique to that process, with some fine sketching with a quill and ink on top and you have something completely different and unique.  I've seen that simple type of adornment it reminds me of Japanese style of decoration.

I am always up for discourse!  And no hard feelings here, none at all.  Like I said, I knew my stance wasn't going to be popular with everyone.  

Another example is in the watch world.  The Rolex Submariner is an icon in the industry and the most copied watch design extant.  Some are called "homages" to make the manufacturer feel better I think.  As for me?  I wear a dive watch that might share some resemblance to a Rolex Sub, but is also vastly different in many important ways.  

Innovation and differentiation are important if we don't want everything to look essentially the same.  Which unfortunately happens at times.

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16 minutes ago, Tugadude said:

 

Innovation and differentiation are important if we don't want everything to look essentially the same.  

Then your lookin at the king at innovation!!!! lol nothin i do ever turns out the same :crazy:

Sadly ethical thinking has been largely forgotten in the business world. 

 

Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms.

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I've re-read the OP's post. NOwhere does he say he wants to copy the procedure on how the edges were made. He simply asked HOW they might have been done, but some of you are attacking him for wanting and planning to copy another's work. Lets stick to ideas of how that edge effect might have been done. There is no harm in a discussion based on that

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53 minutes ago, fredk said:

I've re-read the OP's post. NOwhere does he say he wants to copy the procedure on how the edges were made. He simply asked HOW they might have been done, but some of you are attacking him for wanting and planning to copy another's work. Lets stick to ideas of how that edge effect might have been done. There is no harm in a discussion based on that

Fred, nobody attacked anyone.  I even said I didn’t begrudge him wanting to learn how.  My points are valid regardless. If the OP is upset with me or anyone else I am happy to discuss with THEM.

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I can't speak for Chuck, he is more than capable of explaining himself and what he meant, but I can speak for myself and when I talked about people copying I was meaning rhetorically, not accusing anyone of anything.  The only thing I really addressed directly to the OP was the suggestion that they reach out to the maker directly.  Of course if possible.  I have no idea where they found the picture.  

I noticed that RockyAussie responded saying "to show respect to the maker", and was somewhat vague in his answer.  He can speak for himself, but it indicated to me that he also values creativity and doesn't believe in giving away the store.  

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Well, I'll be the odd one out here - I don't particularly like the look, it doesn't appeal to me (guess I'm more of a "traditionalist" :)). But I'm also not a fan of basketweave either, make of that what you will.

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10 hours ago, chuck123wapati said:

How would we have ever came this far as humans if we didn't copy our predecessors and then improve on those ideas to create our "niche"?

Al Stohlman came to mind when I read that. Almost everything I have learnt  I owe to him ( and Anne) .:yes:

HS

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He has a wife you know, do you know whats she's called? Incontinentia.......Incontinentia Buttocks '  :rofl:

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good morning all!! 
This is one of the craziest post I have read on this forum. 
every thing we do was done by someone else before us , we copy the method and improve on it then another copies us and so on 

their is nothing unethical about copying another’s work 

Do you saddlestitch?  Do you burnish edges?  That is someone else’s idea

pleasr explain the difference?  One is a stitch that makes a design the other is a stitch that makes a design, same with a laced edge

 

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