Old tools with paint - what do I do?

[SUP]

@chuck123wapati if that is your opinion of me, and you do not like what I ask, you are welcome to stay out of any threads that I start. After all, my name is present, linked to the threads. I  am certain that the other old timers and everyone else  here can and have  judged me for themselves and you really do not need to try and color their opinions of me. Not everyone has their opinions colored like yours clearly are, seeing your current and earlier comments, here and elsewhere. We all have our opinions of people; not everyone airs them.

For that reason, I will not be responding to any more of your comments. It is not rudeness, but a desire to not have any unpleasantness in otherwise pleasant threads which are started to truly learn.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 8, 2024 by SUP

[SUP]

@dikman please rest assured, I will take care. You all had a first time of using a tool and I will too. I have the advantage of so many of you guiding and warning me at every step. 

Edited May 8, 2024 by SUP

[chuck123wapati]

3 hours ago, SUP said:

@chuck123wapati if that is your opinion of me, and you do not like what I ask, you are welcome to stay out of any threads that I start. After all, my name is present, linked to the threads. I  am certain that the other old timers and everyone else  here can and have  judged me for themselves and you really do not need to try and color their opinions of me. Not everyone has their opinions colored like yours clearly are, seeing your current and earlier comments, here and elsewhere. We all have our opinions of people; not everyone airs them.

For that reason, I will not be responding to any more of your comments. It is not rudeness, but a desire to not have any unpleasantness in otherwise pleasant threads which are started to truly learn.

not trying to color anything for anyone I'm just trying to make you see that tool is unsafe at best. Like the signs(others posted) say a lost eye or missing body is much more unpleasant than I will ever make your day with a few words. But hopefully you will take heed and at least listen to them.

i can only judge your abilities by what you put out there but above and beyond that I've taught hundreds of illiterate inmates how to  use every tool imaginable. I never once told one of them to just give it go with a power tool without proper training. I'm sorry if your offended but i cant with good conscience tell you or anyone on the planet  for that matter that hopping onto this machine without training is a good idea.  As you admit not having any experience with any tools above the few leather tools you have bought especially power tools of this nature.

I have no problem staying out of your threads. ignore button is your friend as it is mine. Good luck

[bladegrinder]

The buffer pictured in this thread is in my shop, and while having used it for over 30 years I’ve never had it throw a blade. I have had small parts get caught and never to be found again. This thing turns at 3600 rpm at the shaft and I know of two knifemakers that were killed by having blade slung into them by either the same buffer or one similar. These large buffers are designed to be used more in a machine shop rather than in hobby endeavors. I think any buffer of any size is dangerous but so is running with scissors. When someone asks me what’s the most dangerous machine in your shop I tell them which ever one is currently running. The difference here really is that a bandsaw, drill press, milling machine or surface grinder will usually just mangle- cut off some fingers or blind you, a buffer can sling and object into your body or right thru your eye into your head and kill you. If your in your shop alone you could bleed out fast. I keep 3 tourniquets hung around my shop. Where I live, if you hear an ambulance…they’re probably too late for anyone out here. But back to your tools, somehow “removing paint” morphed into all kinds of things here. Heck, their hand tools just clean them up as best you can and use them. You can throw a dollar at a dime but your still going to have a dime in the end

[SUP]

@bladegrinder That is so true. I can just as well use them cleaned without polishing. I would like to learn though. I do leatherwork for a hobby, so will need to think about it. The burnisher I have is the Tandy one. So it is small and will  take a buffer wheel but  I'm wondering about it after everyone warns of the dangers. At home, I cannot afford to have tools flying away, even if in the opposite direction - I have pets!

It took me a while to even recognize what a buffer is, because to me, a buffer is a reagent. Common sense told me it is a solid item but until I saw this photograph, I was unsure of how one looks or can look. (thank you @jrdunn for the photograph). I saw pics online but did not know which one is what I could use.

Anyway, I am busy setting up an electrolysis machine, which I have done before - earlier for iron pots but this one is smaller. Let's see how clean that makes the tools. 

I appreciate all the warnings - and will take care or maybe even avoid polishing with a buffer. I take all that I am told here very seriously because I know you all speak from experience and nothing beats that. Thank you all..

[dikman]

Regarding Chuck (g'day mate ) I wouldn't take offense at what he said as I'm sure he didn't mean any. His comments are based on his experiences, as he explained, and he can only go by what you (or anyone) writes. As you're no doubt aware the written word is often misinterpreted and causes issues on forums as it doesn't necessarily convey what the person is like (or what their abilities/capabilities are). I'm sure he is only thinking of your well-being. 

Now, back to the subject matter, you can get a nice matte finish on steel by using fine grade wet and dry paper, used wet, and you can also get a nice blackened finish by heating it and dropping in oil (Linseed oil, olive oil, vegetable oil all work). Obviously heating a knife blade is not a good idea as you could destroy its temper. Another way is to use a blueing mix, as used for cold blueing firearms, no heat required (although warming the metal might help it to work better).

 

[SUP]

@dikman you are clearly a kind person. It's a pleasure to talk to you. 

Thank you for the tip on wet and dry paper. I gather you mean sandpaper? I'll maybe try that first. Then the heating and oiling. Seem the safest!  I love that I learn so many new things here constantly.

Edited May 9, 2024 by SUP

[toxo]

Many years ago when I was starting out as an engineer a friend recounted an episode in his workplace where a large grindstone exploded at high speed and spat out pieces and some of the were still spinning at high speed when they hit pretty much everything in the workshop.

This was a time when the foreman wore a white or a brown coat and tie. Me having a vivid imagination pondered how quickly these machines would take to grind your face away if a loose tie were to be grabbed by one of them. This image is why I don't underestimate any of these machines.

[Northmount]

1 hour ago, SUP said:

Thank you for the tip on wet and dry paper. I gather you mean sandpaper? I'll maybe try that first. Then the heating and oiling. Seem the safest!  I love that I learn so many new things here constantly.

2000 to 4000 grit.

 

[Northmount]

1 hour ago, toxo said:

Many years ago when I was starting out as an engineer a friend recounted an episode in his workplace where a large grindstone exploded at high speed and spat out pieces and some of the were still spinning at high speed when they hit pretty much everything in the workshop.

It's one thing for a surgeon to pull iron pieces out of an eye with the help of a magnet.  Doesn't work for grit from a grindstone.  Eyesight recovery is less likely.

I worked for a foreman that blew dust out of a hole he drilled to set an anchor in a brick wall.  The dust blew straight back into his eye and he didn't have it properly cared for.  (Was probably in the 50s or 60s when they didn't have all the capability for microsurgery we have today.)  Got infection in it and lost his eye.  Became known as One-Eyed Jake. 

The simple little things that we do without realizing how dangerous they really are when we should, with a little common sense, realize the likely risk.