Needles And Threads

[jimi]

  Not a clue  this is from Ismacs needle chart....this is the only thing i can see with XY not K referring to needles???

Note: A. Bryson published this list of machines with the following note: “Davis S.M. Co. machines with tension (sic) on top of arm take needle X (1X is given as 1x2); those with the tension on the side, or on the face plate, take needle Y (15x1)”

Edited April 12, 2021 by jimi

[Oldiesfan]

2 hours ago, jimi said:

  Not a clue  this is from Ismacs needle chart....this is the only thing i can see with XY not K referring to needles???

Note: A. Bryson published this list of machines with the following note: “Davis S.M. Co. machines with tension (sic) on top of arm take needle X (1X is given as 1x2); those with the tension on the side, or on the face plate, take needle Y (15x1)”

Thanks!

It ain't easy to find exact info .

A 132k6 = 216x1 or 216x2 needles . The one i use works ( fine ) with 216x3  . Why a 3 instead a 1 or 2 type ? could you ask .

In this box are still more than 100 needles.  When new out of the shop probably 200+ . So I think they did get the right needle for the right job !? 

Edited April 12, 2021 by Oldiesfan

[Constabulary]

Don´t worry too much about needle - it will cause headaches.  There are several thousand different needle systems for different machines and similar needles sometimes have different "names".

You can use System 214, 216 & 328 needles in your machine 214 & 328 are the same, 216 are a bit different around the tip (at least my 216 are a bit different compared with 214 / 328). On 214 & 216 the prefix (1, 2, 3, 5, 7....) is most likely and old description for a certain needle tip.

Really - don´t worry too much. 216 is not very common today that's why 214 / 328 is used instead. It would not surprise me when you order 216 you may get 214 in a 216 marked package instead. I have heard when you order 332 you may get 135x17 instead (same needle length but 332 has no scarf on the needle).

Regarding KY - not sure but maybe Singer had different facilities for manufacturing needles and one maybe was in Kentucky = KY. But that's a very wild guess.

 

Edited April 12, 2021 by Constabulary

[kgg]

Looking at how the needle box has " X " printed the letter stamped in the needle looks like the same old style typeface set so it may very well be  "X Y " or "X V" not  "K Y" .

kgg

[Oldiesfan]

14 minutes ago, kgg said:

Looking at how the needle box has " X " printed the letter stamped in the needle looks like the same old style typeface set so it may very well be  "X Y " or "X V" not  "K Y" .

kgg

Some parts of the X on the box are worn off . I looked at maybe 30 needles and they all were showing a K Y . Not an X .

 

 

[Oldiesfan]

44 minutes ago, Constabulary said:

Don´t worry too much about needle - it will cause headaches.  There are several thousand different needle systems for different machines and similar needles sometimes have different "names".

You can use System 214, 216 & 328 needles in your machine 214 & 328 are the same, 216 are a bit different around the tip (at least my 216 are a bit different compared with 214 / 328). On 214 & 216 the prefix (1, 2, 3, 5, 7....) is most likely and old description for a certain needle tip.

Really - don´t worry too much. 216 is not very common today that's why 214 / 328 is used instead. It would not surprise me when you order 216 you may get 214 in a 216 marked package instead. I have heard when you order 332 you may get 135x17 instead (same needle length but 332 has no scarf on the needle).

Regarding KY - not sure but maybe Singer had different facilities for manufacturing needles and one maybe was in Kentucky = KY. But that's a very wild guess.

 

 

Thanks for explaining and the no worries.  

But ! ... i didn't worry haha . This because it is sewing oké. 

So because of a certain needle tip they choose probably a 216 - 3 type instead a 1 or 2 as ISMACS is mentioning for a 132k ( 6 ) version .

 

[Oldiesfan]

The quality of Singer Needles is ? 

The 132ksv18 came with a bunch of Schmetz needles. 

The Old man didn't want anything else .

Is Singer still today producing Industrial needles ? 

 

Edited April 12, 2021 by Oldiesfan

[Constabulary]

Singer is no longer existing as a manufacturer thought the brand name still exists. Singer made needles in the UK and Germany as well but thats all long gone.

Needle manufacturers are a story of its own....

Schmetz needle packages were marked with "Made in Germany" for a long time then later "Made by Schmetz" and current packages have no "Made" markings - see what I mean But you can still buy Schmetz needles marked made in Germany (older stock I guess).

In Germany we had Rhein Nadel, SNF (Singer), Schmetz, METWAR, Groz Beckert, Leo Lammertz (all great quality needles) and several others.

The last two were Groz Beckert and Schmetz but a few years ago Groz Beckert bought Schmetz (Groz Beckert bought most of them afaik). And AFAIK the GB needles nowadays are all manufactured in Asia nowadays.

EDIT:

https://www.groz-beckert.com/en/company/history/

 

 

Edited April 12, 2021 by Constabulary

[jimi]

I bought a packet of needles for the domestic old singer machine we have and they were marked Singer and made in Brasil....some bent others the eye not finished....the worst lot of needles i have bought so far!!! 

[4squareleather]

just got a Consew 206rb3 and it didn't come with any needles or thread.  i'm going to be using the machine to sew belts, wallets and tool pouches.  when hand stitching I usually do .8 ritza tiger thread.  What would be the best needle thread combo.  thanks in advance for any help.