Contributing Member JLSleather Posted October 7, 2019 Contributing Member Report Posted October 7, 2019 I think I got something like this fer bout .. maybe 85 guns ... Above the guard is a sketch. Below the guard is in ACTUAL SCALE. Not sort of. Not 'ballpark'. Not 'close-ish'. Always thinkin bout faster mode to this. Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted October 7, 2019 Contributing Member Report Posted October 7, 2019 Like, not even kiddin'... Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
RockyAussie Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 22 hours ago, JLSleather said: Above the guard is a sketch. Below the guard is in ACTUAL SCALE. Not sort of. Not 'ballpark'. Not 'close-ish'. I hate to admit I am not understanding what above the guard means? Are the pictures above good and the type of thing that you want to be able to do for other guns? Would it matter if there was more detail as when taken from a photo? Is this only for the purpose of arranging the bottom leather piece patterns or ...... I am only wanting to understand if these pictures are what it is that you want to achieve or not and if so, do they need to be done on what size paper if that matters etc. Brian Quote Wild Harry - Australian made leather goodsYouTube Channel Instagram
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted October 8, 2019 Contributing Member Report Posted October 8, 2019 Above the trigger guard area in the pics the way they are oriented. So, the grip area basically. For a holster maker, the grip area isn't entirely immaterial, but it need not be as regarded as the rest of the pistol. Detail isn't required, just the size and shape of the contour. I put in enough details to distinguish it from others, but only where that detail makes an actual difference. So when somebody suggested a 'scan' of a gun, that interested me. Certainly faster than measuring and drawing. But, turns out this scan is to be taken as about as 'precision' as a photo.. which would be useless. The drawings above, if in proper scale 1:1, are all that is needed. Of course, you would need to know the thickness of the parts as well to make a 'case' that fits, but a 3d full model render would be excessive for this (though I suppose it would be good for instigating more useless conversation). I actually have the drawings (1:1) for quite a few guns. And I can continue to do what I've been doing. This thread (I didn't start) suggested a more efficient way -- but that appears to have been a dead end. No loss .. I'm not out anything there. Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
RockyAussie Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 11 hours ago, JLSleather said: Above the trigger guard area in the pics the way they are oriented. So, the grip area basically. For a holster maker, the grip area isn't entirely immaterial, but it need not be as regarded as the rest of the pistol. Detail isn't required, just the size and shape of the contour. I put in enough details to distinguish it from others, but only where that detail makes an actual difference. So when somebody suggested a 'scan' of a gun, that interested me. Certainly faster than measuring and drawing. But, turns out this scan is to be taken as about as 'precision' as a photo.. which would be useless. The drawings above, if in proper scale 1:1, are all that is needed. Of course, you would need to know the thickness of the parts as well to make a 'case' that fits, but a 3d full model render would be excessive for this (though I suppose it would be good for instigating more useless conversation). I actually have the drawings (1:1) for quite a few guns. And I can continue to do what I've been doing. This thread (I didn't start) suggested a more efficient way -- but that appears to have been a dead end. No loss .. I'm not out anything there. Thanks for that. I assume that you wanting this drawings to go into a cad drawing program on your computer for printing out further hard copies? I seem to remember you used auto cad in the past. What I have done sometimes is take some pics and then measurements and drop the pic into auto cad and squish the scale up down etc untill it matches my measurements and then draw the lines over the top. I do that only if I am wanting to go on a pattern up a project. Another way that may be of interest goes back to when I made shoes and the orthotics for them. For a relatively low price you can buy these casting foams which are for doing the feet impressions like these in the pic below- They come as you see with a foam either side to do both feet. I think if a gun were pushed down halfway into one side and again for the other side of the gun on the other foam, you would be able to cast either a plaster of paris or resin to get yourself 2 halves of the gun. This half would then be very easy to get you a 2d outline and have the advantage of having a blue gun of sorts when you tape or attach them parts together. A scan of this outline can then also be put into your drawing program and should true to size if done correctly. What do you think? Quote Wild Harry - Australian made leather goodsYouTube Channel Instagram
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted October 8, 2019 Contributing Member Report Posted October 8, 2019 Well, a "casting" would give you a 2d 'view' of the item, but it seems inefficient to make a casting if you already have the item - guy could just measure the actual item and enter in the drawing. In a CAD program a guy can use inch or mm measurements, and in a vector or raster program a guy could use pixels. The reason behind it is the same reason for a pattern of any other item you make a 'case' for. I can manipulate the same drawing over and over, and if the pattern gets worn or ruined it's simple to print another (assuming you have a backup). Some of it isn't that manual. Having checked, I can tell you that the Glock 19 is the SAME as the Glock 17, but about 12mm shorter on the 'business end'. So, obviously some models can be sped up by altering the drawing of one to make the other (not reinventing the wheel). Takes some of the tedious out of it. Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
Members Hildebrand Posted October 8, 2019 Members Report Posted October 8, 2019 Has anyone used one of the programs like Adobe Illustrator with some thing like a microsoft surface with the pen and traced around the firearm? Just wondering how close this would be to actual dimensions. Todd Quote
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted October 9, 2019 Contributing Member Report Posted October 9, 2019 11 hours ago, Hildebrand said: Has anyone used .. some thing like a microsoft surface with the pen and traced around the firearm? Todd Nah, I aint. But I wouldn't think that's drastically different than tracing on paper and then scanning the paper in to file. Couple issues with those- always has been. • Ya hafta keep the "pen" (or what yer usin') vertical. Any tilting/angling of the 'pen' and your pattern is off. • Guy has to consider parallax error, particularly when you're tracing 360° around. Illustrator (and others) certainly will work to make patterns. Just "offset" by some number of pixels (just have to be aware the resolution yer using). But the pattern will be no more accurate than your original shape (gun contour). 'Course, a guy could just make a line on paper where you know it's quite close, make the rig and test, adjust the lines as needed, then scan the finished result that works (which many of us have done for years). The advantage of having the GUN contour in digital is that I can (and do) then use that same file to make the "pancake" holster. And the "avenger" holster. And the SOB, and the pocket, and the shoulder..... or whatever else you wanted to make... much more easily. Like manufacturing 'stuff', the first one takes the longest and costs the most. Once the R&D is done, it costs less time and trouble to make the subsequent ones. I have been asked to sell these files on more than one occasion, but I don't know that people could afford what I would want for them. Then, if somebody was ALSO doing this, I might be persuaded to SWAP one now 'n' then ... Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
Members Bayou Bengal Posted November 27, 2019 Members Report Posted November 27, 2019 On 10/9/2019 at 7:06 AM, JLSleather said: 'Course, a guy could just make a line on paper where you know it's quite close, make the rig and test, adjust the lines as needed, then scan the finished result that works (which many of us have done for years). The advantage of having the GUN contour in digital is that I can (and do) then use that same file to make the "pancake" holster. And the "avenger" holster. And the SOB, and the pocket, and the shoulder..... or whatever else you wanted to make... much more easily You can literally spend an hour and a half trying to perfect curves stitch lines. I tried the scan method, but it was too shadowy to get an accurate scan Quote
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted November 27, 2019 Contributing Member Report Posted November 27, 2019 7 hours ago, Bayou Bengal said: You can literally spend an hour and a half trying to perfect curves stitch lines. I tried the scan method, but it was too shadowy to get an accurate scan By the time I've tested it, seen the result, adjusted the pattern, made another test, .... I have spent DAYS getting a pattern right. But it was RIGHT. Not "close", not "sorta". Not 'acceptable" or "okay". Not box, not fox ... Do a search on WHYtube and you'll get a JILLION "leather holster making" videos. Each one line up to draw around the gun, like they don't know that HUNDREDS of other videos show that exact same thing (some people make 20 videos that ALL show that same thing). Yet .. NO video of this "very easy" stuff Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
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