Machine Singer 111W155

[adelvalle]

I found other machine, It's other machine.. SInger 211 G 166, in 600 $CA (465 $US) in your opinion. is better that one or the other one (singer 111 W 155) in 500$CA. For me, they are so similar... Singer 211 G 166 it's more new but i think less hard.. What is your advice. Thank you.! and good day.

[BigMatt]

I like the 211 better since it has reverse (backstitch). Reverse is worth $100 to me.

 

You will probably want to install a servo motor, but other than that, it is a good machine.

Edited May 11, 2016 by BigMatt

[mikesc]

211G166 is good for what you want..better ( more recent ) than 111W155..and just as "solide" , and, like BigMatt says..it has reverse ( very useful , saves a lot of manipulation ) ..I have a 211U 166A..( made in Japan ) a very similar machine..Lots of spare parts available

Fitting a servo motor is a good idea..much more control on any machine, and you can get good servo motors for not much more money than the cost of buying a speed reducer.

Edited May 11, 2016 by mikesc

[MADMAX22]

The 211s are nice. I have an old 211G155 so no reverse which kind of sucks but other then that the machine is a beast. The clutch motor on these flies so slowing it down is a must. One trick is putting a foam pad under the pedal (I use a piece of pipe insulation the anti freeze foam wrapped in a towel) this allows you to slowly feather the clutch easier. 

I think either the 211 or 111 if in good mechanical order would suit you fine, just have to work with any short comings of an older machine. Ofcourse Bob or Wizcraft would be the guys to talk to about what is best between the two. 

[CowboyBob]

Most people that have ran both will like the 111w better esp for leather because it has a larger & heavier handwheel & parts are more plentiful for the 111w too.

[Constabulary]

Agree with Bob but the reverse function is something I would miss. So I would go with the 211 most likely.

[Tejas]

If you can find a 111G156 I think I recall from other other on-line information that it, or at least some, has reverse.

[dikman]

For what you want to sew the 211 will be more than adequate, and reverse really does make life easier.

[adelvalle]

Thank you guys, I don't understand so much about servo motor.. but the rest.. is Ok. THANK YOU.!

[mikesc]

re servo motor..sewing machines used to be fitted with clutch motors ( moteur a embrayage ) they use a friction plate to transfer the force from the motor ( which is always turning at a fast speed ) to the pulley that drives the belt from the motor ( below the table )to the "sewing  machine head" ( the part above the table or "bati" )..When you press the pedal the friction plate is moved and  makes contact and the pulley spins..usually very fast..so the machine can be hard to control to run at slow speeds..to run slowly ( and have good control for leather sewing ) you need to move the friction disc ( clutch / embrayage disc ) just a little, ( this is called feathering the clutch )..it can be hard to learn..c'est delicat et pas tres evident..

The clutch motor runs fast all the time..and uses electricity all the time..and sometimes requires that you have access to AC current 3 phase ( tri phase )..some will run on domestic mono phase supply..or can be adapted to do so, if you know what you are doing with electricity ..

example of a clutch motor

http://fr.aliexpress.com/item/Clutch-motor-sewing-machine-motor-250W-high-speed-industrial-sewing-machine/32471847899.html

Compare with..

A servo motor ( runs only when you press the pedal, is DC but plugs into AC domestic supply ) and is variable from verrrrry slow to fast..

Un servomoteur c'est un moteur qui fonctionne en courant continu d'intensité réglable par une system électronique et ça consome presque rien par rapport au moteur a embrayage.

example of a servo motor..

http://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1pcs-500W-AC-servo-motor-for-Industrial-Sewing-Machine-instead-clutch-motor-Free-shipping-by-DHL/32260915360.html

 

a lire aussi

http://www.voiles-alternatives.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=366

 

et  re le dernier lien...les variateurs à fréquence sont cher, et mieux etre un bon electricien pour le montage etc..

 

HTH ..btw ..I'm still thinking that you maybe read French too ?..even my French ( avec mes fautes d'ortho ) with some grammar mistakes

Edited May 12, 2016 by mikesc