mikesc Posted July 8, 2016 Report Posted July 8, 2016 I would add this to Wiz's list ..Singer 211..G or U or A..( and the various sub classes, the letters G, U , or A indicate the country of manufacture ) I have one..compound feed, walking foot , updated version of the 111, equivalent to ( IMO ) the LU 563, or the aforementioned Seikos or Consews.. Quote "Don't you know that women are the only works of Art" .. ( Don Henley and "some French painter in a field" )
Members TheITMan Posted July 9, 2016 Author Members Report Posted July 9, 2016 12 minutes ago, mikesc said: I would add this to Wiz's list ..Singer 211..G or U or A..( and the various sub classes, the letters G, U , or A indicate the country of manufacture ) I have one..compound feed, walking foot , updated version of the 111, equivalent to ( IMO ) the LU 563, or the aforementioned Seikos or Consews.. is the singer 211 capable of handling the same 138 bonded? Quote
bikermutt07 Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 While the experts are following the thread, i have a question. Which is more versatile, cylinder arm or a post machine? Quote I'm not paying 80 bucks for a belt!!! It's a strip of leather. How hard could it be? 4 years and 3 grand later.... I have a belt I can finally live with. Stitching is like gravy, it's only great if you make it every day. From Texas but in Bossier City, Louisiana.
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted July 9, 2016 Contributing Member Report Posted July 9, 2016 If I didn't have a machine, and was looking to stitch stuff like that great lookin holster you posted, I'd call Bob and ask if he got a Cowboy 3200 with no shipping label on it as yet. It's "under $2k", but sews with a pretty versatile range of thread / needle combinations, will handle a couple layers of heavy leather easy enough. And it's slow enough to be a "beginner" model (no fingers stuck to the table). Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
Members Colt W Knight Posted July 9, 2016 Members Report Posted July 9, 2016 JLS, you make a lot of holsters, how often do you sew something thicker than 1/2" ? I have a Consew 206 RB-1, and while it is a great machine, it is not a holster machine. Thread isn't big enough, and the flatbed hinders its usefulness getting around all those 3-d holster shapes. Plus, it can't sew the welt on a cowboy holster ( i have tried and tried with no success). Does a great job on belts, leather folders, and purses though. Quote
mikesc Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 (edited) is the singer 211 capable of handling the same 138 bonded? Yes..it can run even 207, but not all the time ( not enough clearance under the bobbin plate, so 207 is forcing it if done every day, but occasionally is OK ) But 138..no problems at all..I agree with Colt, if you have the chance of a cylinder arm model ( Singer 211 is flatbed ) then cylinder is more versatile as you can always make flat bed "add on" to fit around the cylinder arm..Or get a flatbed machine ( they are more common ) and later get a cylinder arm machine..one can never have too many sewing machines.. Post is more versatile than cylinder..but has more to go wrong, ( more "gubbinsses" and is going to be more finicky to keep tuned, that said, I wouldn't kick one down the steps if it came calling cheap or free, I might very well reach down and help it into the house ;)..But the one I'm looking for now is an "Irish" ( nearly had one last week but it zigzags from the left only, ( some of the early pre 1930 ones do, it was a 1929 107 ) I want a later "100" series central zig zag, or better yet a 20U63 would be nice, ( although the original 100 series "Irish" can punch through more leather thickness that the 20U series ) but 63s are as rare as hens teeth here )..12mm bight, and knee or foot control stitch width, that I'd carry over the threshold in heartbeat. Edited July 9, 2016 by mikesc Quote "Don't you know that women are the only works of Art" .. ( Don Henley and "some French painter in a field" )
Members graywolf Posted July 9, 2016 Members Report Posted July 9, 2016 Right now the "beginner machine" looks to be a new Consew P1206RB. You should be able to find a new one for around $1000 plus shipping. That's with the table and a servo motor. That puts them down there very close to the "Never Heard of Them" clones. You folks in the big cities may be able to find a deal on a used machine, around here they want more for a beat up old factory machine than that NEW Consew. My recent experiments show that a heavier duty home machine does better than most people think they will (see my recent tread ), but I would not consider one if you are going to use it seriously. I would not be too worried about the machine falling apart, but that you are likely to have too many redos, for it to be profitable. Quote
Members zoomer56 Posted July 10, 2016 Members Report Posted July 10, 2016 Check out the Boss. It is hand operated, will go thru more than your requirement. It is now available through Tandy Leather. Quote
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted July 12, 2016 Contributing Member Report Posted July 12, 2016 On 7/8/2016 at 7:21 PM, Colt W Knight said: JLS, you make a lot of holsters, how often do you sew something thicker than 1/2" ? I have a Consew 206 RB-1, and while it is a great machine, it is not a holster machine. Thread isn't big enough, and the flatbed hinders its usefulness getting around all those 3-d holster shapes. Plus, it can't sew the welt on a cowboy holster ( i have tried and tried with no success). Does a great job on belts, leather folders, and purses though. i haven't sewn anything in the 1/2" or up range for a long time. That's 4 layers of 8/9, and I'm generally about 'capped off' at 3 layers (which I DO sew all the time). I think the CB3200 is good money -- prolly what I would get. I DID have one of the 206-RB5 machines, and if that girl gets tired of it i'd buy it back. Maybe she'll use up the $100 worth of thread I gave her and then not need the machine any more ?? But the Boss.... I dont see the point. While I understand it will throw a little heavier thread than the 3200, I have NEVER needed 415 thread (or whatever that size is), and if you add about $300 to the price of the boss you could be running under power Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
Members Red Cent Posted July 12, 2016 Members Report Posted July 12, 2016 Most of my SASS holsters are 4 layers. Two 8-9 and two 6-7 here. JL, what has three layers of 8-9? Quote https://www.facebook.com/redcentcustomleather?ref=bookmarks http://www.redcentcustomleather.com/
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