Blue guns 'n' stuff

[bikermutt07]

I could easily commit to two at a time.

But which first two? Ahhh the plot thickens......

[Mattsbagger]

38 minutes ago, bikermutt07 said:

I could easily commit to two at a time.

But which first two? Ahhh the plot thickens......

Like rivet dies?! Lol

[bikermutt07]

With that much talent you should be in Hollywood. Ha!

[alpha2]

Just an FYI from my personal experience, the Walther PPQ 9 and 40 cal are also the same size and shape gun. But, they did move the mag release on the M2 version, don't know if it changes the "blue gun" fit at all.

[JLSleather]

This may not currently be clear.  Here's the short version:  Rings charges $39 ea for "dealer" pricing.  Then shipping is additional few bucks.  But many "resellers" are charging $50, then wanting you to pay "insurance" on top of that.  But if you paid for priority shipping, that INCLUDES insurance, so paying "insurance" is just something they say to bump up the cost a bit more.  BS.  

Now, here's what happens if you buy guns. If you buy ONE, prolly don't matter much.  But looky here - how that "free' shipping gits ya when it's added into the item price....:

So as I said, you buy one gun.. no big deal.  

But you buy 5, and "they" got you for $44 just for ordering from rings what you could have ordered with a phone call.

At 9 guns, you're paying $84 "extra".  To come up with these shipping numbers, I weighed 1 gun, and 5 guns, and 9 guns, and then checked the actual shipping charges from usps.com

 

BUT.. teh $39 price is for "dealer" pricing, and to become a "dealer" one must cough up that initial ONE TIME order of $1500 (40 guns).  After that, you can buy as little as ONE gun and get the $39 pricing.  Seriously, I got all this info in ONE phone call

So what I was suggesting was roughly what someone above called "group buy".  If we need some guns anyway, I'll order them and have them shipped, then send out to the ones who wanted those models.  I would be "taking a hit' on teh shipping - since I would be paying the second cost.  But that's acceptable to me to get that first buy out of the way

SO ALRIGHTEY THEN:   If you have specific models you would like to pick up, send me a message -- I'll likely do this in about 2 weeks.  Cost will be $40 each.  I assume that will cover the shipping from rings to me, and anything it costs me to ship to you is my problem.

IF on the other hand, you don't need any, or you do need some but don't care to trust me to make the group purchase, either way --- just walk away and don't worry about it

 

Edited February 7, 2017 by JLSleather

[JLSleather]

Oh, since I'm pretty sure I'm on the right forum to have at least one want to argue about shipping charges (and whether my figures are correct).. here's some info to help you calculate it yourself (not that it matters, since I'll be paying it myself)..

Glock 17 "blue gun" is about 8" x 5.5" x 1" and weighs roughly 13 oz (with a dowel taped on)

Glock 42 "blue gun" is about 5.5" x 4" x 1" and weighs roughly 7 oz (no dowel)

That should give a good starting point ..

 

[SolarLeatherMachines]

JLS is correct.  Dealer pricing is 39.  Initial buy is is $1500.  But if you don't continue to buy in bulk, you'll be dropped as a dealer.  Pretty standard arrangement for a dealer.  

In addition, if you want to blame someone for shipping charges, blame the USPS.  The reason that everyone uses Priority Mail is because the USPS wont allow standard package rates to be printed on computer (stamps.com) without a huge account sign up charge.  Most small dealers (me) end up having to leave the shop, run to the Post Office, wait in line, to send the package the cheapest method.  So Priority Mail is easier, and tracking and insurance is included. (who buys extra insurance?)  Not to mention the cost for weights up to 1 lb are the same.  (oh, and priority cost is different depending on zip code. It ranges from $5.40 to $8.50 depending on where its going, and a lot of you live in the sticks)

Not to mention boxes, and padding. Envelopes don't work well: Ever see what a gun looks like after the USPS or UPS truck puts it at the bottom of the stack?  That little box alone is $0.75 -$1.50 (Uline.com)....and paper and tape.  That stuff isn't free.  Not to mention that people complain about the slightest scratch.  

Further, You're probably going to wait on that initial order of 40 guns.  Ring's is a great company, and I enjoy working with them, but like anyone else, they have production limits, and it can take weeks to get in an order.   Meanwhile, you're getting calls from some grizzled old bear asking where his blue gun is, and how he should have it by now 'cuz the guy down the street said he should get it in a week.    

Let's not forget the building to put the guns in, the electricity to power the interwebz, the heat....overhead, just the simple cost to open the door.  

So by the end of all that the dealer makes $2-$3....MAYBE.  We sell about 3 a week.  Do you really think that's enough to keep the doors open?  

So for us, Blue guns aren't a money maker, just simply a way to help our customers out.  Most want a gun THAT DAY, and aren't willing to wait the 3 days from an internet supplier.  

So that's my 2 cents.  




 

[OLDNSLOW]

Ya I think I know the guy that talked about a group buy, heck even the guys over on the kydex forum do it and the state gun owners website from that state I am in have done it, it can and usually does save the guys some money in the long run.  But all that BS aside I think I might be in need of another glock 19 and the sig p320 is going to be a big seller here soon and I don't think I have one of those.  The only problem with the sig p320 is it comes in so many flavors, oh my another decision to make.

[MADMAX22]

1 hour ago, SolarLeatherMachines said:

JLS is correct.  Dealer pricing is 39.  Initial buy is is $1500.  But if you don't continue to buy in bulk, you'll be dropped as a dealer.  Pretty standard arrangement for a dealer.  

In addition, if you want to blame someone for shipping charges, blame the USPS.  The reason that everyone uses Priority Mail is because the USPS wont allow standard package rates to be printed on computer (stamps.com) without a huge account sign up charge.  Most small dealers (me) end up having to leave the shop, run to the Post Office, wait in line, to send the package the cheapest method.  So Priority Mail is easier, and tracking and insurance is included. (who buys extra insurance?)  Not to mention the cost for weights up to 1 lb are the same.  (oh, and priority cost is different depending on zip code. It ranges from $5.40 to $8.50 depending on where its going, and a lot of you live in the sticks)

Not to mention boxes, and padding. Envelopes don't work well: Ever see what a gun looks like after the USPS or UPS truck puts it at the bottom of the stack?  That little box alone is $0.75 -$1.50 (Uline.com)....and paper and tape.  That stuff isn't free.  Not to mention that people complain about the slightest scratch.  

Further, You're probably going to wait on that initial order of 40 guns.  Ring's is a great company, and I enjoy working with them, but like anyone else, they have production limits, and it can take weeks to get in an order.   Meanwhile, you're getting calls from some grizzled old bear asking where his blue gun is, and how he should have it by now 'cuz the guy down the street said he should get it in a week.    

Let's not forget the building to put the guns in, the electricity to power the interwebz, the heat....overhead, just the simple cost to open the door.  

So by the end of all that the dealer makes $2-$3....MAYBE.  We sell about 3 a week.  Do you really think that's enough to keep the doors open?  

So for us, Blue guns aren't a money maker, just simply a way to help our customers out.  Most want a gun THAT DAY, and aren't willing to wait the 3 days from an internet supplier.  

So that's my 2 cents.  




 

Kind of curious, so medium flat rate box that can hold say an order of 5 guns for example, flat rate of 13.50 with insurance, free box, easy drop off, printed shipping available how that would equate to 8 bucks a gun for shipping?

[JLSleather]

44 minutes ago, MADMAX22 said:

Kind of curious, so medium flat rate box that can hold say an order of 5 guns for example, flat rate of 13.50 with insurance, free box, easy drop off, printed shipping available how that would equate to 8 bucks a gun for shipping?

Yeah, see this is what I'm getting at, sorta.  Makes for a nice story, about the downtrodden shop owner who has to go to the post office.  Here's a thought... instead of begrudging the cost of boxes.. why not just pick up some FREE priority mail boxes while you're in the post office?  Better yet -- just have them delivered to you in 50-packs like I do.. they'll bring 'em right to the door, and they're FREE (and so is the delivery).

And SINCE IT'S PRIORITY, the mail carrier will PICK UP the ones I send out.  I don't generally do it that way, since that guy got enough to carry already, and I know the folks at the post office anyway.  But I COULD just hand it to the mail guy, and not even go.

And it's true -- the USPS charges priority shipping by zip -- but you know the zip from the guy's order, so no legitimate reason to charge $7-10 EACH gun.  One gun may cost $8, but the next 8 average about $1 each shipping (depending on the size of the gun).

2 hours ago, SolarLeatherMachines said:

Let's not forget the building to put the guns in, the electricity to power the interwebz, the heat....overhead, just the simple cost to open the door.  

Agreed.  But I have that here, too.  In the end, though, anybody who wants can charge whatever they want.. none of that is up to me.  I'm simply saying that there is a better deal FOR ME.  WHY would I pay someone else's "overhead", when I could just be paying MINE?  If I buy 10 guns, I save over $100, and there's my electric bill taken care of.

Is there ever going to be a delay ordering from down there?  Perhaps - wouldn't surprise me.  But by ordering this way, basically about every 5 guns I order, I get one free.  

If the next guy isn't interested in something like this, fair enough- no harm no foul.  I didn't put any of this up to volunteer for an argument.  Anybody not interested in something like this, feel free to ignore me at will -- no offense taken