Members Yankee63 Posted March 22, 2019 Members Report Posted March 22, 2019 17 hours ago, Singermania said: As I said above, I have three of them and yes have sewn on them, we used to give them away with our more expensive machines. Also as I have said in the past, they surprisingly do sew quite well, though not thru very thick leather which is in excess of half an inch. , Why would you give a "junk" machine to those who bought high dollar machine? Sounds like you would be shooting yourself in the foot for future sales. Nobody is trying to lose sales for you by not buying a high dollar machine when basic stitching is all you need for leather. Were the china machines so crappy when you supposedly "gave" them away? Did you tell your customers they were basically just junk ? It don't make sense. Doug
Members chrisash Posted March 22, 2019 Members Report Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) They sound like they are not junk but do a good job, but not maybe as well as higher costs machines and like all machines have there limits, I don't know but i assume he gave them away as a bonus for work the other machines either could not do or found it hard to do, no machine does everything Edited March 22, 2019 by chrisash Mi omputer is ot ood at speeling , it's not me
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted March 22, 2019 Moderator Report Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Yankee63 said: Why would you give a "junk" machine to those who bought high dollar machine? Sounds like you would be shooting yourself in the foot for future sales. Nobody is trying to lose sales for you by not buying a high dollar machine when basic stitching is all you need for leather. Were the china machines so crappy when you supposedly "gave" them away? Did you tell your customers they were basically just junk ? It don't make sense. Doug You are attacking a long time member who is also a reputable dealer in Australia. Don't do that again. Drop it now. Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
bermudahwin Posted March 22, 2019 Report Posted March 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, Wizcrafts said: You are attacking a long time member who is also a reputable dealer in Australia. Don't do that again. Drop it now. H No longer following it.
mikesc Posted March 22, 2019 Report Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) Agree 100% with Wiz..the only one who has used the word junk is Yankee63.. Singermania probably has the largest collection of machines ( I remember the many pictures, of many many machines all lined up like the sewing machine equivalent of the Terracotta army :) of any dealer..anywhere..and his advice is extremely well respected by all of us..A lot of businesses ( mine included ) give stuff away to people who spend a lot of money with us..Doesn't mean it is junk that we give away, just means that "whatever" didn't cost us so much to begin with in either time or money..so we throw in a little extra ( could be needles, thread, machine, tools for some of the dealers, for others of us it could be an item or items that we normally make / sell ) ..Quit trying to pick a fight with him..or anyone for that matter.. Edited March 22, 2019 by mikesc "Don't you know that women are the only works of Art" .. ( Don Henley and "some French painter in a field" )
Hockeymender Posted March 22, 2019 Report Posted March 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Yankee63 said: Why would you give a "junk" machine to those who bought high dollar machine? Sounds like you would be shooting yourself in the foot for future sales. Nobody is trying to lose sales for you by not buying a high dollar machine when basic stitching is all you need for leather. Were the china machines so crappy when you supposedly "gave" them away? Did you tell your customers they were basically just junk ? It don't make sense. Doug Just remember what they say about opinions........... Regards, Joe Esposito www.hockeymenders.com instragram: @hockeymenders.com
kgg Posted March 22, 2019 Report Posted March 22, 2019 I agree whole heartily with Wiz on this one. I have been tinkering with the idea of getting a patcher for sometime as an addition to my flatbed Juki and find the Chinese patcher discussion very interesting. I would not be expecting the Chinese patcher to do exceptional work, have a smooth operation profile or look pretty. It just needs to be able to do limited basic sewing that would be easier done with a patcher machine. The cost saving for me over some of the brand names (new and used) is substantial particularly considering the amount of use I will give it. kgg Juki DNU - 1541S, Juki DU - 1181N, Singer 29K - 71(1949), Chinese Patcher (Tinkers Delight), Warlock TSC-441, Techsew 2750 Pro, Consew DCS-S4 Skiver
Members veedub3 Posted March 22, 2019 Members Report Posted March 22, 2019 Mine just arrived today! In the process of getting all the grease off, filing down the rough edges, then on to the modifications. I got mine for $112 with free shipping. My intended use is sewing tooled leather patches onto the bills of caps - something I have been doing by hand up until I get this machine up and running. If it does not work out, it won't be a huge loss, and it was a heck of a lot cheaper than those big boy machines. Karina "The only man who makes no mistake, is the man who does nothing." Theodore Roosevelt
Members Singermania Posted March 22, 2019 Members Report Posted March 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Hockeymender said: Just remember what they say about opinions........... Are you talking to me? I don't recall saying the machines were junk. They are cheap but do in fact sew quite well. We run Australia's biggest and most successful heavy leather machine company so we did not shoot ourselves or anyone else in the foot. Sometimes when you buy some Kellogs Corn Flakes you get a cheap plastic animal, does that make the corn flakes rubbish?
Members Singermania Posted March 22, 2019 Members Report Posted March 22, 2019 2 hours ago, mikesc said: Agree 100% with Wiz..the only one who has used the word junk is Yankee63.. Singermania probably has the largest collection of machines ( I remember the many pictures, of many many machines all lined up like the sewing machine equivalent of the Terracotta army of any dealer..anywhere..and his advice is extremely well respected by all of us..A lot of businesses ( mine included ) give stuff away to people who spend a lot of money with us..Doesn't mean it is junk that we give away, just means that "whatever" didn't cost us so much to begin with in either time or money..so we throw in a little extra ( could be needles, thread, machine, tools for some of the dealers, for others of us it could be an item or items that we normally make / sell ) ..Quit trying to pick a fight with him..or anyone for that matter.. Thanks Mikesc, yes I still have the machines. I might have sounded harsh re the patchers, it wasn't my intention. They do in fact punch above their weight. Of the three I have, one is set up on a block of heavy timber and I do use it from time to time, its fine. The machines are relatively trouble free from my experience. When we sell machines some people have machines already and can sew, some others are newbies and often they will buy the simplest machine they can, so often that is a handcrank of some kind. The reality is that handcranks are not really easier as you are cranking, feeding the material and your eye can move a bit too. So a greater proportion of people buying the little patchers are going to be first time machine owners and there is going to be a greater learning curve...… ie its expected then that these people will experience more problems. To put it another way, I get a lot more phone calls for assistance from people that have not sewn before than those that have on any machine I sell.
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