Members chrisash Posted September 19, 2018 Author Members Report Posted September 19, 2018 Well as the say how things are different between two countries, in my time (12 years) in the Royal Navy we never had any repair staff for uniforms, just issued with a small housewife sewing kit of some thread, buttons, needles and darning cotton and told to do it all ourselves, I think our other forces were the same Back to the subject, sewing machines regardless where they are made, most components are probably made by different firms using cad controlled machines to keep the standard high, but assembly is the area where low cost labor play's a major cost saving, I seriously doubt there is any real difference between clones and Juki these days, apart from Juki having the highly skilled design staff where as other countries just copy out of date patent designs. That's not to say all Chinese goods are assembled well in fact we can all name items with missing screws etc In the UK we learnt many years ago you cannot compete with low cost economies in labor hense we lost ship building and many other industries and now rely on high tech and services Quote Mi omputer is ot ood at speeling , it's not me
bikermutt07 Posted September 19, 2018 Report Posted September 19, 2018 @chrisash a lot of times industries move to cheaper countries because their nation of origin taxes them too much. This is how America was robbed of it's great industrial might. It wasn't labor costs that sent our companies over seas as much as it was our greedy politicians and the "EPA". I'm sure labor costs played a part, but not as much as one might think. Inflation in our country ( also caused by greedy politicians ) probably played a more significant part in making labor costs look much higher. Quote I'm not paying 80 bucks for a belt!!! It's a strip of leather. How hard could it be? 4 years and 3 grand later.... I have a belt I can finally live with. Stitching is like gravy, it's only great if you make it every day. From Texas but in Bossier City, Louisiana.
CowboyBob Posted September 19, 2018 Report Posted September 19, 2018 Yes,I just got the news a couple days ago & it starts on 9-24 any imported machines will have 10% on them & after 1-1-19 it's going up to 25% so if you've been setting on the fence about a machine you better make your mind up soon.Or it will cost you more $$. Quote Bob Kovar Toledo Industrial Sewing Machine Sales Ltd. 3631 Marine Rd Toledo,Ohio 43609 1-866-362-7397
Members chrisash Posted September 19, 2018 Author Members Report Posted September 19, 2018 Unfortunately when the prices go up in this artificial way, even when its all sorted out the prices never drop back to the old prices just drop a small amount, so maker and middle men make more money at expense of the buyers Quote Mi omputer is ot ood at speeling , it's not me
Members bullmoosepaddles Posted September 19, 2018 Members Report Posted September 19, 2018 @CowboyBob Do you have an estimate of the differences at this point? The tax will only apply to the import price I assume? Quote
Members Big Sioux Saddlery Posted September 19, 2018 Members Report Posted September 19, 2018 55 minutes ago, chrisash said: Unfortunately when the prices go up in this artificial way, even when its all sorted out the prices never drop back to the old prices just drop a small amount, so maker and middle men make more money at expense of the buyers Yep, kind of like the cattle/beef market. Quote
Members Constabulary Posted September 19, 2018 Members Report Posted September 19, 2018 I would not count on that - you never know - when a new player / competitor enters the game the price could drop again. it also depends on how much a dealer already has stocked. If you have a good number of machines in stock you can hold the price for a while and in 2 years (most likely) you have a new president anyway and then cards are being reshuffled again. Time will tell. Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
bikermutt07 Posted September 19, 2018 Report Posted September 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, Constabulary said: I would not count on that - you never know - when a new player / competitor enters the game the price could drop again. it also depends on how much a dealer already has stocked. If you have a good number of machines in stock you can hold the price for a while and in 2 years (most likely) you have a new president anyway and then cards are being reshuffled again. Time will tell. I'm not sure I would make that 2 year bet... The opposition to our current president doesn't have a single candidate in play that could give him a run for his money. America is waking up to the tired old millionaire white politicians ( Republican and Democrat ) claiming to be for the little guy and minorities. Not trying to go all political or anything, it's just what I am observing. Quote I'm not paying 80 bucks for a belt!!! It's a strip of leather. How hard could it be? 4 years and 3 grand later.... I have a belt I can finally live with. Stitching is like gravy, it's only great if you make it every day. From Texas but in Bossier City, Louisiana.
Members Constabulary Posted September 19, 2018 Members Report Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, bikermutt07 said: America is waking up to the tired old millionaire white politicians ( Republican and Democrat ) claiming to be for the little guy and minorities. I understand that! Lots of people over here are sick of their government too - and its not getting better. Just yesterday they promoted the chief of the intelligence service because of several frailties - What - kidding me ? Sorry too complicated to explain the whole story in English. They really provoke it and scratching their head why they are going to loose (or already have lost) a lot voters. And that is just one sample... ** deleted what else I wanted to write - don´t want a political discussion here ** reg. 2 years - I take that bet - lets bet for 2 packs of 135x17 / 135x16 needles (no Chinese needles - they will be to expensive then ) Edited September 19, 2018 by Constabulary Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members LetterT Posted September 19, 2018 Members Report Posted September 19, 2018 2 hours ago, bikermutt07 said: America is waking up to the tired old millionaire white politicians ( Republican and Democrat ) claiming to be for the little guy and minorities. There was an excellent photo I have seen on the recent trade talks between China and US, the age gap between two parties was astounding. I found it, New York Times link https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/business/china-trade-talks.html Quote
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