Paint, Dye or Stain?

[MtlBiker]

8 minutes ago, chuck123wapati said:

for black i use vinegaroon, it is basically iron dissolved in vinegar and reacts with the tannins in the leather to change the color to black. Can be made at home for cheap. Throw a steel wool pad in a jar of vinegar for a few days.  it wont leach out like some dyes if you leather gets wet.

Wow!  What an interesting idea!  Thanks for mentioning that.  What do you use as a top coat/sealer?

But "Vinegaroon"????  Wikipedia says, "Vinegaroons have no venom glands, but they have glands near the rear of their abdomen that can spray a combination of acetic acid and caprylic acid when they ..."

 

[chuck123wapati]

27 minutes ago, MtlBiker said:

Wow!  What an interesting idea!  Thanks for mentioning that.  What do you use as a top coat/sealer?

But "Vinegaroon"????  Wikipedia says, "Vinegaroons have no venom glands, but they have glands near the rear of their abdomen that can spray a combination of acetic acid and caprylic acid when they ..."

 

LOL yea those are creepy critters for sure! but the roon has been around for hundreds of years and is also used for staining wood.

Depends on the purpose of the item, i make a lot of outdoor type leather goods, holsters and knife sheathes,  so i usually use a little neat's-foot oil and then good waterproofing for boots and shoes like fiebings golden mink oil, for wallets, belts and such i use super sheen or the 50/50 mop n glo mix is about the same imo. You also use the sheens for a resist when you are using multiple colors of dyes.

[LeatherLegion]

6 hours ago, MtlBiker said:

My local store? 

 

 

   Sorry , I was a bit vague. Call your local Tandy store. I assume since the Montreal location is closed , Markham or Mississauga location is who you want to call for any alcohol based dies , finishes or contact cements. 

Edited May 7, 2021 by LeatherLegion

[MtlBiker]

1 hour ago, LeatherLegion said:

   Sorry , I was a bit vague. Call your local Tandy store. I assume since the Montreal location is closed , Markham or Mississauga location is who you want to call for any alcohol based dies , finishes or contact cements. 

No problem, but we're going around in circles here.  In the message you replied to, I said that Tandy Leather is sold out of Fiebing's Dye (regular or pro).  And now you're suggesting I call Tandy Leather. 

I guess you're suggesting that one of the (few) remaining Tandy stores might have some dye in stock even though their website says it's all sold out.  I do have some dye coming from Tandy and as a beginner it'll probably get me going.  I'm still waiting for my first order from Tandy to arrive (6 days and counting since it shipped from Toronto to Montreal) and if a store had a bottle left, it would probably cost me more for shipping than the cost of the dye.  So I'll wait until I need something else and check again.  Someone else suggested there's a leather store in Ottawa that might have it, and their website suggests they do.  I might order from there together with some other stuff.  But the photo of the pro dye they show looks very different than the one on the Tandy site and the Tandy site says something about it being new and improved.  Shrug.  One might really be new and improved (and sold out) while the other is old unimproved stock.  I'm just going to wait at the moment.

Thanks for your suggestions though.

 

[sbrownn]

Why don't you just order some black leather?

[tsunkasapa]

Just because Tandy's WEBSITE says they are out, does not mean a local store doesn't have a bottle sitting on the shelf. 

[TexasCharlie]

On 5/4/2021 at 9:36 AM, MtlBiker said:

I'm ordering some veg tan leather and will want to make some pouches which should be black when finished.  Checking the Tandy Leather (Canada) site, I see there are paint, dye and stain choices?  What are the pros/cons of one over another?

After using something to make the leather black, is that it, or does some kind of top coat / sealer need to be applied?

Thanks!

 

Fiebings black oil dye.

[Handstitched]

18 hours ago, MtlBiker said:

The problem with experimenting as a total novice, is that it's hard to tell if the results are good or not.

Oops, yeh, you're right, I was just going by my own early experiences . A lot of what I learnt when I first started was ' trial & error' . Theres no leather shops near me ,was one 3hrs away ( now closed)  I had no internet, just yellow pages,  so I just had to wing it.

@chuck123wapati doesn't vinegroon go on fish 'n' chips ? Just kidding . 

Yes , that process does work, apart from the smell of vinegar , but that goes away .  I still want to experiment with natural colours from fruits  & spices one day like  turmeric , mulberries, black berries,  etc.

HS

[chuck123wapati]

4 hours ago, Handstitched said:

Oops, yeh, you're right, I was just going by my own early experiences . A lot of what I learnt when I first started was ' trial & error' . Theres no leather shops near me ,was one 3hrs away ( now closed)  I had no internet, just yellow pages,  so I just had to wing it.

@chuck123wapati doesn't vinegroon go on fish 'n' chips ? Just kidding . 

Yes , that process does work, apart from the smell of vinegar , but that goes away .  I still want to experiment with natural colours from fruits  & spices one day like  turmeric , mulberries, black berries,  etc.

HS

life is an experiment go for it!!!!  But don't try vinegaroon on fish and chips lol! The roon has never let me down is cheap and easy to make i also will be trying some natural dyes, spring is finally here and so  some spring flowers will be ready soon.

 

[MtlBiker]

13 hours ago, sbrownn said:

Why don't you just order some black leather?

Because I've been told that for wet moulding (what I want to do) only natural untreated veg tan leather works.